BARR Hedwig Caroline South Australia

[barbatalice]

I am researching Hedwig Caroline BARR who married Justus Henry KUNOTH in Kapunda South Aust in 1872 and died in 1916.
 She was also known as Caroline.

Her father is recorded as Johann Freidrich BARR. 
Hedwig Caroline was born about 1855, but I don't know whether it was in SA or overseas

I can't find a birth in SA or passenger arrival for Hedwig or Caroline BARR

My queries:
Is BARR an anglicised version on a german or other european name?
Was Caroline born in SA?
If not when did she arrive in SA?

Thanks
Barb

[tedscout]

Hi Barb,

The marriage I have found for Caroline and Justus KUNOTH lists Caroline as Hedwig Caroline BAR with only one "R".

Can I ask where you got the spelling BARR from please?

Oh the ref for this marriage is 20 Jul 1872, Kapunda, South Australia Pg #154 Vol  # 92


I have also found 6 births to this couple and Hedwig Caroline BAR is spelt with 1 "R" on all 6 biths.

[barbatalice]

Hi tedscout

I have BARR on the following births:
Edward Henry KUNOTH - 1878 Willipa
Lily Myrtle KUNOTH - 1887 Anna Creek

And the 6 births you found with mother's surname BAR

I don't know whether BAR or BARR is correct. I tried searching BAR* but no luck

This is why I think the surname has been anglicised.  I think the "BAR/BARR" family are probably german lutherans who came out 1840s &  1850s but I have no hard evidence for this

Barb

[deeiluka]

Hi Barb.

I've checked all the births of children with a given name of Hedwig in SA, and there are none with a father Johann Freidrich or Freidrich Johann or anything similar, likewise with a given name of Caroline. it may well be you have to find an arrival of a family from overseas.

I have notice index entries for the surname BAHR, so this just may be a possibility.


Dee   

[deeiluka]

BISA has an F BAR arriving 1855 on the Wilhelmine.
There's absolutely no other information unfortunately.   

And there are no Bar marriages, births or deaths, so I suspect that the name in BISA is just taken from the shipping list and that may be how it was spelt there, and likewise it is a mispelling at registration of the mother's name.
No proof though.....   

And the father's names of Johann Freidrich may have been part of three names. My Ehmckes' names were recorded in various combinations on registration records, which doesn't make life easy!


Dee   

[Rhonda May]

BISA has an F BAR arriving 1855 on the Wilhelmine.
There's absolutely no other information unfortunately.
Dee

This family mentioned by Dee settled at Flaxman Valley and recorded as George Friedrich BAHR/BAEHR from Janny near Gruenberg, Silesia. The wife was Anna Elisabeth nee MARSCH so she looks like a possible connection to my ancestors who arrived on the same ship - something I had not known before. Am now trying to trace more info.

Rhonda

[deeiluka]

I've seen records for George Freidrich BAHR, Ronda, and have wondered if he also had the name Johann that wasn't used on all records.

I've delved on Trove Newspapers, but nothing is appearing there as yet either.


Dee   

[cando]

Dee I have have thoughts along the same lines. I think it is possible Hedwig Caroline may have been a dau of George Freidrich BAHR.  Marriage of one dau and several sons on the marriage indexes.  I think is there is something in BISA but am rushed.   Must always allow for accents and illiteracy.  I think the local registrars had a difficult job recording accurate information.

BAHR George Friedrich, wife, Ernestine Pauline arrived in SA by 31 Dec 1841

Perhaps an enquiry to the Lutheran Archives may help you.

Cheers
Cando

[Rhonda May]

Still working on this . .
Report of the arrival of the ship Wilhelmine 1855 . .  Bar 10 . .  meaning 10 in the family?  Parents and 8 children?

The obit for Mrs BAHR . . .  (wrong arrival date)
QUORN.
June 11. - Mrs. Annie E. Bahr died on Tuesday. The deceased, who was 90 years of age, arrived from Germany in the ship Wilhemina in 1857. She was accompanied by her husband and seven children. Her husband died six years after landing in this State. They were at one time engaged in farming pursuits at Eden Valley, and Mrs. Bahr came to Quorn about 17 years ago. She was of German descent. She left two daughters and six sons, 65 grand- children, and 15 great-grandchildren. 
One child born after their arrival.

One married daughter died 1886 so obviously 3 daughters. I have positively identified 7 children.  The family were Lutheran.  Still uncertain about Hedwig Caroline - can't see why she was RC?

Rhonda