sarah ann chapple, born avenel, victoria

[JL66]

The information I have on John Mills is:

Born in London, approx 1820.
Father: John Mills (tailor)
Mother: Sarah Melton (?)


Married Elizabeth Chapple (nee Woods) in 1855. Married in Avenel, Victoria, Australia. His occupation is listed as 'tailor'.
Together they had eight children:
Jane - m- Thomas John Ford in 1875
John
Amelia
Elizabeth
Maria
Elijah
Matthew - m- Marion Hunter McKenzie in 1888

John and Elizabeth must have separated some time between 1867-1869.
John was still alive in 1888 as he is listed on his sons wedding certificate - occupation 'gentleman'

This is all I have managed to find out so far.

[sparrett]

In the column for fathers name on the marriage cert for Matthew.
Is there any indication for living or deceased?

If there is not, he may well have been dead at the time of the marriage. You did not have to be alive to be listed as a parent on a Marriage Certificate

Who were the witnesses on the certificate ?



A Death

MILLS John
Father John
Mother Sarah UNKNOWN
Age  52
Birth Place  LOND
Year  1867
Reg   9648


(Bear in mind also Elizabeth may have simply be "saving face" when she uses her deceased husband's name as father of the child. It was not uncommon )

[JL66]

There is no provision for identifying parents as deceased on Matthews certificate, so you may be right.  Witnesses to Matthew and Marion's marriage were James McKenzie and Annie McKenzie.

I know that on John Mills and Elizabeth Chapples marriage certificate it identifes Elizabeth as being a widow (deceased husband Charles Chapple) so perhaps there might be a similar classification on Elizabeths marriage certificate to her subsequent husband post John Mills.

[sparrett]

I know that on John Mills and Elizabeth Chapples marriage certificate it identifes Elizabeth as being a widow (deceased husband Charles Chapple) so perhaps there might be a similar classification on Elizabeths marriage certificate to her subsequent husband post John Mills.

This may not be a very reliable strategy.  Elizabeth could say what she liked regarding her status. No proof was required. 
 
The only way to be certain of the identity of the John MILLS I have listed is to  download the Death Certificate.

The age of the man is out by a few years.

Sue

[JL66]

Cheers Sue - I think that's what I'll have to do.

Thanks for your help with this

[sparrett]

Cheers Sue - I think that's what I'll have to do.

Thanks for your help with this

You're welcome.

Yes, when it is the direct ancestral line it is often worth the few dollars spent

Sue

[JL66]

You were right - I've found him!

Thanks again

[sparrett]

Wonderful!

BTW, Off track, but have you seen this lovely picture of eldest daughter Jane?

http://www.fordsofkatandra.com/index.php/component/content/article?id=93:example-layout-page

Sue

[kazza72k]

Hi,
I am from Sarah Ann Chapple , Elizabeths daughter to Charles.......John Mills did die in 1867....I have got Elizabeths death certificate as well Quite happy to share my e mail with you if you like ?