Patrick Brien and Anne Kelly marriage

[Davemed]

Could anyone help with details and information and possible ancestors of Patrick Brien and Anne Kelly.

Patrick and Anne married on 12th December 1920 in the registration District of Bray in the Union of Rathdrum.  Both were minors.

Patrick lived at the time of the marriage at 7 Jos Connolly Square and Anne at 96 Degan Road, Marius, Cloutarf.

The father of Patrick was Edward Brien labourer. and the father of Anne was either Thomas Kelly ? or J.Amos Kelly ( hard to decipher on a document ).

Any input would appreciated.

David.

[shanew147]

David had previously been in contact with me by pm, so I've seen a copy of the cert and can add a little detail to this ... 

The grooms address is James Connolly Square, Bray and I believe the bride's address reads, St Declan's Road, Marino, Clontarf, Dublin. Anne's occupation is domestic.

It is believed that Mary Anne Brien was born 29th April 1907 - somewhere in the Rathdrum area has been suggested as the location for both births...

The marriage was RC and the witnesses were Patrick Hickey and Kathleen Kelly.



Shane

[shanew147]

I think the 1920 date might be a mistake - there's no match on the Index that can find. Patrick Brien was believed to have been born on 16th January 1912, which would make him 8 for a 1920 marriage...

There is a possible cross-match for a Patrick Brien / Anne Kelly marriage in 1928 in Rathdrum district, which given the reported birth dates would make them 16 and 21 - so could fit with the 'minor' ages given on the cert.

see below for images of the date.


S.

[Davemed]

I think the 1920 date might be a mistake - there's no match on the Index that can find. Patrick Brien was believed to have been born on 16th January 1912, which would make him 8 for a 1920 marriage...

There is a possible cross-match for a Patrick Brien / Anne Kelly marriage in 1928 in Rathdrum district, which given the reported birth dates would make them 16 and 21 - so could fit with the 'minor' ages given on the cert.

see below for images of the date.


S.

I made a mistake in the original post.

I posted 1920 misreading the marriage certificate.  From Shane's clip of the certificate and looking at the certificate itself closely the date should have been 1928.

David.

[shanew147]

17 Pat/Patrick [O']Briens aged less than 1 on the 1911 census - none in Co. Wicklow though. In case the date/age at death is 'out' (quite common on death certs), you can add 18 more age 1.

(for ref. of others dates of birth are from unconfirmed English death Index references)

Two of the 1 year olds were born in Co. Wicklow, and both are living in Bray - one at Pembroke Cottages but father's name is Owen, the other is at Purcells Terrace. Father's name is Edward a general labourer, mother's Lille...

see : Brien household, Purcells Terrace, Bray

Difficult to be certain with such a common name without some further clues, but worth keeping in mind as a possible match to your Patrick.


Shane

[shanew147]

Two big 'Ifs' but if Annie's birth was registered under her full name as per that death reference, and her date of birth is accurate, then this is the birth that jumps to the top of the 'possibles' :

  Name: Anna May Kelly
  Registration district:   Naas
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Apr- Jun 1907
  Volume number: 2 / Page :   822

Naas district is based in Co. Kildare but covers parts of west Co. Wicklow.


S.

[Davemed]

Two big 'Ifs' but if Annie's birth was registered under her full name as per that death reference, and her date of birth is accurate, then this is the birth that jumps to the top of the 'possibles' :

  Name: Anna May Kelly
  Registration district:   Naas
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Apr- Jun 1907
  Volume number: 2 / Page :   822

Naas district is based in Co. Kildare but covers parts of west Co. Wicklow.


S.

Hello Shane,

Thank you for the information.

Please forgive me for being short.

A bereavement in the family.

I will be back to you soon.

David.

[Davemed]

Two big 'Ifs' but if Annie's birth was registered under her full name as per that death reference, and her date of birth is accurate, then this is the birth that jumps to the top of the 'possibles' :

  Name: Anna May Kelly
  Registration district:   Naas
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Apr- Jun 1907
  Volume number: 2 / Page :   822

Naas district is based in Co. Kildare but covers parts of west Co. Wicklow.


S.

Hello Shane,

My nephews wife ( related to the Brien's and Kelly's ) has had a word with an aunty, Joan Brien ( married now ) who was sister to Patrick Brien.  Joan is not always clear on her recollections, though she is sure that, the information above is correct.  My nephews wife also remembers uncles from the same family who she believes also lived in Naas.  Perhaps a Edward, a Patrick Noel and John Thomas. And aunties as well.  Bernadette's ( my nephews wife ) mother was Henrietta Brien sister to Joan and recently deceased.  I will post the marriage certificate on Photobucket for her.

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj640/davemed/The%20Brien%20Family/MarriageCert.jpg

Besides this, it is known that two siblings died before 12 months old, sisters to Joan and Henrietta.


David.

[Rich1985]

Dear David,
I'll start off by introducing myself, my name is Richard Dance, I am 27 and from Essex. I came across this information that you have writen whilst researching different parts of my family. I have signed up to this website so I could write to you an if possible gather any family information.
Bernadette (Your nephews wife) I would be her 3rd cousin. Henrietta, * *, * and my mother are 1st cousins. There father Patrick Brien and my Grandad John Thomas Brien were brothers. John died 6th June 1998.
My Mother at the age of 18 met Joan and her uncle Patrick and aunt Anne, ever since then lost all contact with the family. Although my grandparents went to Patricks funeral. My mum told me that she had cousins living up in Liverpool knowing I am a Liverpool supporter but have never been able to find out any information or what ever happened to this part of the family.
My mothers name is * Dance (O'Brien). Johns Daughter.
When Patrick and Anne got married, his brother John (my grandad) was only 2 years old and Anne made him a little suit for the wedding.
I myself have done a family tree, but never added any of patricks family down as never knew any of the family.  If Bernadette or yourself would be interested in any of this information then I would be happy to pass it on to you.
My Nan (Anne O'Brien) told me that she remembers Annes family coming from Naas. My Nan has still got the painting that patrick (Henrietta and Joans Brother) gave to her. Does he keep up the artist work as I am an artist myself. My Nan also told me that Patrick the Elder had a nickname Sonny.
It would be great to hear back from you soon.
Richard Dance
P.S My Email is *

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