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Re: Thomas EVANS CONVICT to AUST
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 08 December 12 08:40 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure how 'fixed' their 'professions' were either ... on the attached Tomlinson is listed as a groom.  If destitution was their plea then no doubt they would take whatever work came along.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/conwad39.htm

Looks as if Evans was held in Portland before transportation, and Tomlinson in Portsmouth:
http://wags.org.au/c/wags/pub/stories/documents/connews/con_belgravia.pdf

A bit of background on Tomlinson, his prisoner number was 9014 which brings up the following results from the WA police gazette.  
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/14379/188205_m.pdf
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/14384/188206_m.pdf
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/14386/188211_m.pdf
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/14374/188303_m.pdf
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/14378/188304_m.pdf
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/14345/188506_m.pdf
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/14340/188512_m.pdf
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/14402/188802_m.pdf

A few words via Trove marking Thomas Evans' death:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/74906828?searchTerm=thomas%20evans&searchLimits=l-decade=192|||l-year=1928|||l-month=07

Also, if you search using his nickname, Clumper, via Trove there are some nice anecdotes ... you can almost detect his accent!  NB: one or two anecdotes not quite so PC ...
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38907448?searchTerm=clumper&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37826218?searchTerm=clumper&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38389539?searchTerm=clumper&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38935524?searchTerm=clumper&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38395375?searchTerm=clumper&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38389042?searchTerm=clumper&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38388439?searchTerm=clumper&searchLimits=

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Re: Thomas EVANS CONVICT to AUST
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 08 December 12 08:56 GMT (UK) »
Gali,

BINGO!! ...Clumper was the family name..it came from Old Tom saying I'll clump ya..

THANK YOU SO MUCH..looks like not much getting done here the next day or so..

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Re: Thomas EVANS CONVICT to AUST
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 08 December 12 09:42 GMT (UK) »

With the mention of Mrs Edkins (in the newspaper article posted by BashLad) connected to the 'Black Horse Inn'  it's possible to confirm that the incident which led to transportation did take place in Sparkbrook ...

From: http://www.midlandspubs.co.uk/breweries/birmingham.htm
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The Black Horse in Sparkbrook was the home of Edkins and Guy, common brewers for the area for much of the 19th century and for the early part of the 20th century. One of the earliest references to the family who owned this brewery is that of Ann Edkins. She appeared in the 1859 Ratebook for Aston where it lists a Malthouse and Kiln in the Manor of Bordesley. The original Black Horse was set back from the Stratford Road whereas the replacement building, constructed in 1880, is right on the corner of Stratford Road and Kyotts Lake Road. In the 1861 census Ann Edkins is recorded as a 65 year-old widow. Hailing from Berkswell, Warwickshire, she was listed as the Licensed Victualler of the Black Horse. 22 year-old son David Edkins worked as a brewer, whilst 33 year-old Ann M. Guy was listed as a barmaid. Ann was also born in Berkswell but David was a Brummie. This helps to trace the movements of Ann Edkins. She employed 50 year-old William Wheatcroft as a labourer. He was born in the village of Rowington. Solihull born Thomas Powers was engaged as an ostler, delivering the beers produced behind the pub to other boozers in the area. William Edkins lived at No.73 Stratford Road. Born in Tamworth in 1831, he was listed as a Brewery Agent. He had clearly moved into his own property to live with his 32 year-old wife Sarah but continued to work for the family business. As an agent, it was his role to sell the beer into other public houses in the Birmingham area. The family rebuilt The Black Horse in 1880. The 1891 Ratebook for Aston lists a Licensed Public House, Brewery, Yard and Premises. By 1906 David Edkins and Mary Ann Guy were listed as occupiers and owners. The ownership of the pub remained for many years with the Guy family who resided at The Sycamores, Stratford Road, Shirley. The Black Horse later became an Atkinson's pub.

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Re: Thomas EVANS CONVICT to AUST
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 08 December 12 18:05 GMT (UK) »
Have you had a stab at finding Thomas on the English censuses.....

I can't help but notice ;) that on the 1861 there's a Thomas Evans born abt 1836 in Manchester, working as a cotton spinner boarding at 48 Loom St, Ancoats. Which is only a mile or two from the Elizabeth St at Cheetham Hill...

The other Thomas Evanses on the 1861 living in manchester don't seem t be working in the cotton industry. Hardly a smoking gun but... tempting.
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Re: Thomas EVANS CONVICT to AUST
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 09 December 12 00:25 GMT (UK) »
BashLad,

I had printed that census of Thomas EVANS..great to have you tell me that the both address are close by..not knowing the U.K. it helps with input from those that know.
I'm so grateful for all the help of you good kind people..going to now sit and work through all that has been sent.
I'm over the moon..
Thank you one and All.
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Re: Thomas EVANS CONVICT to AUST
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 05 May 18 09:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all.
Yes..re the tip off!! I have posted before on this and its been helpful thank you, and that Loom St is not far from Elizabeth Street..but still not confirming for me...as I said I have looked at and have copies of all Thomas's and John's Evan's in the 1861 census..plus looked at census after Thomas came to Australia but none are linking John to Thomas. As you can guess..Evans is a common surname. I'm thinking poor Old Tom's research is at a stop, I was hoping that someone had an idea.. other than census
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