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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #90 on: Friday 23 September 16 23:51 BST (UK) »
http://artuk.org/discover/artworks/the-death-of-nelson-21-october-1805-173404

On the left of the picture are Lieutenant John Yule and Midshipman Francis Edward Collingwood who is shown head and shoulders to the left, mainly obscured by the figure in front of him. He helps a sailor to handle some captured flags. Since he was a volunteer he has no uniform, but wears a midshipman's coat without the patch.

http://en.wahooart.com/@@/9CVUAD-Arthur-William-Devis-The-Death-Of-Nelson-


Gaetano Spedillo, Nelson's Neapolitan valet, is shown full-length in profile to the right, in a brown coat and holding a glass in his left hand. His lower limbs are obscured by a figure in the foreground of the left of the painting of the group around the dying Nelson. On the right are Lieutenant George Miller Bligh and Assistant Surgeon Neil Smith. Bligh is half hidden by a marine in the foreground. He is shown half-length seated, facing to the left, apparently dazed from a wound in his head, wearing a lieutenant's full-dress coat, 1787-1812, with his left hand on the wound in his side. Looking towards the dying Nelson, in the right background, stands the ship's carpenter, William Bunce, slightly masked by Smith and Bligh. He is almost full-length to the left in profile wearing a warrant officer's uniform, natural coloured breeches and holds his hat in his right hand. Painted two years after the event, this complex painting concentrates on the human response of the men involved in this important event in the life of the nation. To evoke this, the artist has incorporated portraiture with the imagery of Renaissance religious painting, bathing Nelson in a golden light.
Read more at http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14367.html#Xwo3Aj4YiHVpEVOM.99

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Captain William Kydd - Crew members
« Reply #91 on: Sunday 30 October 16 17:32 GMT (UK) »


https://goo.gl/5cequ5

These are three members of William Kidd's crew. I make no excuse or fanciful claims that any of our ancestors sailed with Kidd but many so called pirates were in fact hired as privateers, a legal term used to plunder for the Realm. Family men and fathers and sons or brothers often joined up for a chance to make a one off trip to a fortune ! And as long as they were sailing as privateers, it was legal....according to the realm that often financed these missions.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821

Most people were illiterate and couldn't even spell their own names. Seafarers, EMBARKING
on a get rich quick journey with promises of a share of the 'bounty' of a PRIVATEER, often did so with a certain amount of caution should their captain (and therefore , crew) be outlawed?
IT wasn't unusual for crew to enlist using a synonym or a slight change of name, just in case they jumped ship in some obscure port or transferred to a homeward bound ship of which some did change from Kidd's Adventure Galley to escape sure prosecution for Kidd's illegal plundering of friendly ships. It has been recently suggested that Kidd was financed by the Realm and Lords in high places to capture booty from ships carrying plundered treasures of the Knights Templar> and is hidden somewhere off St Marie, Madagascar?

Most people that could not write or spell often used 'x' or partial spelling of the name!
Collingwoods, Collingsworths often shortened to plain Collins or Collings.

 I have never heard of Colliness or Conninghame , yet three crew members Edward Colliness, John Collings and Philip Conninghame sailed with KIDD?  Were they were related brothers or father and sons? I also believe these three were bogus and used spur of the moment names to shield their identities..albeit conspicuous by their similarity to  Collingwood

Were these three stalwarts really related or akin to John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, in 1697 ? Or was he one of the three bogus crewmen?
Did he change ship and return to England by request of KIDD for those that feared prosecution?  There is evidence that some of the crew changed to an illegally plundered 'friendly' merchant ship off the West Coast of Africa after KIDD killed William Moore with a wooden bucket, in disgust at Kidd's crime (for which he was eventually hanged)
Did he witness the execution of KIDD at Wapping in 1701 ?
Many fanciful questions but with more research we may learn more.


Edward Henry's GREAT GREAT Grandfather could have sailed with William Kidd, got his pirates 'share' and profited to good purpose.

Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather .


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I believe that John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, of Farting Fields, Wapping in 1697 and was the first of the Collingwoods to be mentioned at St Dunstons and may be John the Sawyer's (1737-1796) grandfather (the father Edward John Collingwood is listed as an upholsterer- ships outfitter that became a master mariner), These were favourable times in the early 1700's for crews of privateers to finance a more lucrative future for themselves and their decendents

I've located a list of names for Captain Kidd's crew.
 The list is extracted below at the end of this posting (and alphabetised) and can also be found at the following source:

SOURCE:
Sponsor: Institute of Historical Research
Publication: Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies
Author: Cecil Headlam (editor)
Year published: 1910
Pages: 190-205
Contents: April 1700
Citation: 'America and West Indies: April 1700, 21-25', Calendar of
State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: 1700, volume 18
(1910), pp. 190-205.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=71340.
Date accessed: 26 October 2008.

There are also biographical details of some of the crew at Appendix II of:
Treasure and Intrigue: The Legacy of Captain Kidd
By Graham Harris
Published by Dundurn Press Ltd., 2002
ISBN 1550024094, 9781550024098
348 pages
Limited preview available through Google Books search.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Copy of articles of agreement between Capt. William Kidd, Commander of
the good ship Adventure, and John Walker, Quartermaster. Sept. 10,
1696.... Signed, William Kidd. Subscribed and agreed to by the ship's
company;

https://goo.gl/5cequ5


Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather .

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Captain William Kydd - Crew members
« Reply #92 on: Sunday 30 October 16 17:35 GMT (UK) »


https://goo.gl/5cequ5

These are three members of William Kidd's crew. I make no excuse or fanciful claims that any of our ancestors sailed with Kidd but many so called pirates were in fact hired as privateers, a legal term used to plunder for the Realm. Family men and fathers and sons or brothers often joined up for a chance to make a one off trip to a fortune ! And as long as they were sailing as privateers, it was legal....according to the realm that often financed these missions.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821

Most people were illiterate and couldn't even spell their own names. Seafarers, EMBARKING
on a get rich quick journey with promises of a share of the 'bounty' of a PRIVATEER, often did so with a certain amount of caution should their captain (and therefore , crew) be outlawed?
IT wasn't unusual for crew to enlist using a synonym or a slight change of name, just in case they jumped ship in some obscure port or transferred to a homeward bound ship of which some did change from Kidd's Adventure Galley to escape sure prosecution for Kidd's illegal plundering of friendly ships. It has been recently suggested that Kidd was financed by the Realm and Lords in high places to capture booty from ships carrying plundered treasures of the Knights Templar> and is hidden somewhere off St Marie, Madagascar?

Most people that could not write or spell often used 'x' or partial spelling of the name!
Collingwoods, Collingsworths often shortened to plain Collins or Collings.

 I have never heard of Colliness or Conninghame , yet three crew members Edward Colliness, John Collings and Philip Conninghame sailed with KIDD?  Were they were related brothers or father and sons? I also believe these three were bogus and used spur of the moment names to shield their identities..albeit conspicuous by their similarity to  Collingwood

Were these three stalwarts really related or akin to John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, in 1697 ? Or was he one of the three bogus crewmen?
Did he change ship and return to England by request of KIDD for those that feared prosecution?  There is evidence that some of the crew changed to an illegally plundered 'friendly' merchant ship off the West Coast of Africa after KIDD killed William Moore with a wooden bucket, in disgust at Kidd's crime (for which he was eventually hanged)
Did he witness the execution of KIDD at Wapping in 1701 ?
Many fanciful questions but with more research we may learn more.


Edward Henry's GREAT GREAT Grandfather could have sailed with William Kidd, got his pirates 'share' and profited to good purpose.

Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather .


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821

I believe that John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, of Farting Fields, Wapping in 1697 and was the first of the Collingwoods to be mentioned at St Dunstons and may be John the Sawyer's (1737-1796) grandfather (the father Edward John Collingwood is listed as an upholsterer- ships outfitter that became a master mariner), These were favourable times in the early 1700's for crews of privateers to finance a more lucrative future for themselves and their decendents

I've located a list of names for Captain Kidd's crew.
 The list is extracted below at the end of this posting (and alphabetised) and can also be found at the following source:

SOURCE:
Sponsor: Institute of Historical Research
Publication: Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies
Author: Cecil Headlam (editor)
Year published: 1910
Pages: 190-205
Contents: April 1700
Citation: 'America and West Indies: April 1700, 21-25', Calendar of
State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: 1700, volume 18
(1910), pp. 190-205.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=71340.
Date accessed: 26 October 2008.

There are also biographical details of some of the crew at Appendix II of:
Treasure and Intrigue: The Legacy of Captain Kidd
By Graham Harris
Published by Dundurn Press Ltd., 2002
ISBN 1550024094, 9781550024098
348 pages
Limited preview available through Google Books search.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Copy of articles of agreement between Capt. William Kidd, Commander of
the good ship Adventure, and John Walker, Quartermaster. Sept. 10,
1696.... Signed, William Kidd. Subscribed and agreed to by the ship's
company;

https://goo.gl/5cequ5


Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather

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« Reply #93 on: Sunday 30 October 16 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Correction and an addition to my last post *

I believe that John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, of *Farting* Fields, Wapping in 1697 and was the first of the Collingwoods to be mentioned at St Dunstons and may be John the Sawyer's (1737-1796) grandfather (the father Edward John Collingwood is listed as an upholsterer- ships outfitter that became a master mariner), These were favourable times in the early 1700's for crews of privateers to finance a more lucrative future for themselves and their decendents

Of course it should read Farthing Fields...not Farting, ha ha
I would add that the old Farthing Fields that no longer exists was in proximity to the old original London Dock and Tobacco Dock in Wapping, just a short walk. Here came many of the old Pirate and Privateer ships to disembark crew and cargo. The cargo then could be taken to one of the many warehouses for auction. Often the real owners would bid for their own goods' return at the then famous John Lee Warehouse that eventually became known as the Corn Exchange.
John Collingwood, mariner of Farthing Fields, married Mary Barker in 1697 may have trotted along to Wapping Wall to witness the execution of Captain Kidd in 1701. If he was part of the crew he would have had two years grace to re-settle and maybe come back to London incognito, ready for one of the most significant trials and executions of the times. For hereon the fortunes of their decendants dwindled somewhat over the next 140yrs...the Collingwoods became just ordinary seamen, dockers, stevedores, shipwrights. No longer master mariners they just changed with the times from sail to engine powered ships. The days of the big booty payouts were over. Now came the Unions. Duncan Dunbar was instrumental in abolishing the 'pirates share'... one sixty/ fourth of the bounty shared among the crew was still prevalent in the 1820's.
The traditions of the sea led to today's Unions and the dockers'-stevedores' tradition of the 'ganger' picking his eight men to 'unload this ship'stemmed from the first mate having potential crew men of pirate ships line up on the dockside with a 'special ticket' purchased privately and vetted by a serving family member. "Show your ticket, no ticket, no sail"
The docker's ticket and the unions were born.


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John Law's warehouses
« Reply #94 on: Sunday 20 November 16 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Another correction *John Lee Warehouses......should have read John Law's warehouses, that eventually became the site of the Corn Exchange

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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #95 on: Monday 26 December 16 18:45 GMT (UK) »
I've located a list of names for Captain Kidd's crew.

https://goo.gl/5cequ5

SOURCE:
Sponsor: Institute of Historical Research
Publication: Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies
Author: Cecil Headlam (editor)
Year published: 1910
Pages: 190-205
Contents: April 1700
Citation: 'America and West Indies: April 1700, 21-25', Calendar of
State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: 1700, volume 18
(1910), pp. 190-205.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=71340.
Date accessed: 26 October 2008.

There are also biographical details of some of the crew at Appendix II of:
Treasure and Intrigue: The Legacy of Captain Kidd
By Graham Harris
Published by Dundurn Press Ltd., 2002
ISBN 1550024094, 9781550024098
348 pages
Limited preview available through Google Books search.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Copy of articles of agreement between Capt. William Kidd, Commander of
the good ship Adventure, and John Walker, Quartermaster. Sept. 10,
1696.... Signed, William Kidd. Subscribed and agreed to by the ship's
company;

Samuel Aires
Hendrick Albert
James Alger
Isaac Ambros
William Arnett
Henry Bainbridge
Govert Baners
Richd. Basnet
Charles Bathurst
Wm. Beck
James Betles
Archibal. B. Bohanan.
George Bollen
William Bowyer*
Wm. Bowyer, senr*
Robert Bradinham
Samuel Bradley
Harculis Bredsteed
John Browne
Edward Buckmaster
Joseph Budden
Harman Buger
John Burton
Michael Calloway
Andrew Calwell
James Carr
David Carsson
Humphry Clay
Robert Clem
Clexfflders (sic)***
Edward Colliness**
John Collings*
Jacob Conklin
Phillip Conninghame**
Jacob Cornelijs
Aba. Coucher
Hendrickus Cregier
John Davis
John de Mart*
Jan de Roodt*
Peter de Roy*
Simon de Woolf*
Isaac Dernes
Patrick Dinmer
Noah East
Mich. Evens
Henry Everts
Peter Fewlo
John Finely
John Fletcher*
Thomas Fletcher*
John Fling
Benjamin Franks
Ery Geyselar
Alex. Gordon
Edward Graham
Peter Hammond
Morgan Harriss
Barnet Higgins
Joseph Hill
Thomas Hobson
William Holden
Jacob Horran
James How*
Andrew How*
William Hunt*
Robert Hunt*
John Hunt, jun*
John Hunt, senr*
Andries Jeaniszen
Nicholas Jennings
John Jonson
John Kemble
Walter King
Peter Lee
Gabriel Loffe
Bernard Looman
John Marten
Henry Meade
Alexander Milberry
Ebenezar Miller
Daniel Mokoricke*
**William Moore (murdered by KIDD of which he was hanged in 1701)
David Mullings
Alex. Mumford
Neschen
Henry Olive
Yoer Oovrall
Cornelius   Orvyn
Joseph Palmer
John Parerick, negro
John Pears
William Percy
Henry Pieterson
Thomas Purdeg
(Quarter-master)
Edward Roberts*
John Roberts*
Peter P. Rouse
William Rowls
Robert Ruderford
Aldris Saerdenbreech
Henry Sanders
George Sinkler
William Skines
John Smith *
English Smith*
Robert Smithers*
Jan Spons
Edward Spooner
Casper Spreall
Ellis Strong
George Tarpole
Samuel Taylor
John Torksey
Nicholas Tredgidgen*
Jonathan Tredway*
Nicholas Tuder*
William Turner
John Warker*
Hugh Washington
John Watson
William Weakum*
Wm. Wellman
John West
William Whitley
John Wier
Wm. Willdey, junr*
Richd. Willdey, senr*
Tho. Wright

Many names appear to be either spelt wrongly or may just be bogus to hide true identities.
I have highlighted ** those that imo are suspect AND those which are/or seem to be family groups in for a one-off fortune?


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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #96 on: Monday 01 May 17 19:23 BST (UK) »
EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, 1817 - 1878

     Died from fever from exposure while fixing storm damage on Dharwar

http://goo.gl/eI3gTr



This year marks the 200th year of the birth of Edward Henry Collingwood died 24th Oct 1878 in Old Hong Kong.

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Edward Henry Collingwood 1817 - 1878
« Reply #97 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 15:57 BST (UK) »
Edward Henry Collingwood's youngest son.

My great grand father
Alfred Daniel Collingwood-1st. 1849 - 1921 least known of our family, he was too young for the Crimean war and a bit past it for the Boer War..and definitely on his uppers by the First WW. He did his national service and worked the East India Docks and was the first of the Collingwoods to become a stevedore. It was thought he got a souvenir from the 'Buffalo Bill Wild West Show' when it came to London in 1887 to coincide with Victoria's Jubilee, an Apache arrow in a sheaf, yes you've guessed made by Sittting Bull himself ? (probably mass produced), but his son (my grand dad) had it hanging above 'THE THIN RED LINE' with some other artifacts from the Zulu Wars. It is known that he also tried his hand at 'going to sea'...he died around 1921.

These old Collingwoods, they loved the sea. Myself, i hate the sea ever since i swam on top of the water from an attacking Great White off Barbados. I swear i was on top of the water going faster than than the shark, screaming , only to be told by the larfing spectators s that the 'shark' was a large cluster of seaweed carried by the fast current.

My grandfather
Alfred Daniel Collingwood-2nd.  1879- 1949. Was apprenticed blacksmith at 14, for the East India Company 'yards. Was active in the Boer War S.Africa campaign. "The Thin Red Line" adorned his passage hallway, which i saw and still remember as 5 year old kid just before he died in 1949. This painting was his pride and joy as he was one of them.  He took up his father's 'ticket' and worked as a stevedore. He was never in any one job for long and tried his hand at many trades including 'engine driver' a more colourful description for a 'stoker' going to sea a few times. Lived at various addresses in Poplar, Cawdor St, Ellerthorpe St, Abbott Rd, Dee St, Aberfeldy St and died at Alton St. next to Alton St Infants School, which i attended as a five year old.

My Father
Alfred Daniel Collingwood-3rd.  1913- 1965
Well, my own father died very young at 52yrs, he was a Stevedore in the Royal Albert Docks from 1947 - 1955.
He never spoke much of his ancestors and i guess, i know more about them than he did. He did his army national service in 1931 and volunteered for the Merchant Navy when war broke out

My father lived with my mum at Aberfeldy St as newly weds, when it was destroyed by German bombing. My dad was at sea and mum was in an air-raid shelter with my sister. My mum got a telegram from the Admiralty "October 1942 -Alfred Daniel Collingwood -missing presumed dead-converted whaler Sourabaya torpedoed North Atlantic German U-boat". It was delivered as she rummaged through what was left of her belongings in the debris. It was some weeks before she was 'told' that he was rescued at sea by an American destroyer and taken to Baltimore. All British servicemen (by order of the Admiralty) rescued and taken back to the States, had to carryft on with the war effort until they could be brought home. So dad had to get busy working building the Liberty Ships. He was in the States for the duration and drove yellow cabs and worked as a cook a chef. He finally came back home working as 2nd Cook on a Merchantman- Empire MacMahon at the end of the war.

Myself
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« Reply #98 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 16:24 BST (UK) »
http://www.archive.org/stream/blackwallfrigate00lubb2/blackwallfrigate00lubb2_djvu.txt

The 19th century stevedores and dockers picked their gangs consisting of eight men. They would converge on the dockside and the 'ganger' would pick his men using his experience. Edward Henry would have seen this process many times not knowing that his decendants, the Alfred Daniels, 1st, 2nd and 3rd, would all become stevedores !

Here, Basil Lubbock describes how ships crew were 'hand' picked in similar fashion and how the crew joined the 'pecking order of 'perks'

pages 66-68
66 THE BLACKWALL FRIGATES

The chief officer was allowed 2 firkins of butter, 1 cwt.
of cheese, 1 cwt. of grocery, and 4 quarter cases of
pickles as extra provisions ; the proportions of the other
officers being on the same scale as the wine.

The captain was given two personal servants; the
chief officer, second officer, surgeon, bosun, gunner and
carpenter were each giv^en a servant. No wonder that
the Merchant Service was sought after by the highest
in the land.

The Foremast Hands of an Indiaman.

The crew of the Thames are not yet on board,
though they had been chosen before she hauled out of
dock. The business of signing on had been carried out
on board, for the day of shipping offices had not arrived.

The time — 11 a.m. — had been posted up in the main
rigging, and when the hour arrived there were perhaps
two or three hundred men on the docks ide. Most of
these men owed their advance notes to Hart, the Jew,
a noted Ratcliffe Highway slopshop keeper and cashier
of advance notes at high rates. His runners usually
contrived to get their men in the front rank so as to
catch the eyes of the first and second officers and boat-
swain, who, in picking the crew, soon showed themselves
to be expert judges of sailormen.

The pay for foremast hands was 35s. a month; the
advance, which was two months' pay, was at once
pounced upon by the Jews, but Jack boasted that on a
sou-Spainer bound to a warm climate he only needed a
stockingful of clothes. However, it was noticeable
that even if a man came aboard without a sea chest, he
always had his ditty bag, which contained his marlin-
spike, fid, palm and needles, bullock's horn of grease
and serving board.



FOREMAST HANDS 67

In those days there was no mistaking a seaman for
a landsman. He may perhaps be best described as
a full-grown man with the heart of a child. His
simplicity was on a par with his strength of limb, and
his endurance was as extraordinary as his coolness and
resource in moments of emergency or stress.

In appearance he was recognisable anywhere, not only
for the peculiar marks of the sea and the characteristics
of his kind, but for his length and breadth of limb.

In height he towered over the landsman of his age,
whilst his shoulders occupied the space of two landsmen
in a crowd, and his handshake was something to be
avoided by people with weak bones.

His dress was distinctive of his calling, the nearest
approach to it being the rig of the present day man-of-
war's man. He had, however, a fondness for striped
cotton in shirt and trouser, and when he did consent to
cover his feet sported pumps with big brass buckles
instead of clumsy boots. The black neckerchief came
in of course at Nelson 's funeral, being a sign of mourning
for the little Admiral.

As to headgear, his shiny black tarpaulin hat seems
to have become entirely extinct, and the gaily coloured
handkerchief, which was usually wound round the head
in action, would cause one to suspect its wearer of aping
the pirate in these sober-bued days.

Having had a prowl round the ship, seen our furniture
placed in our cabin, and drunk a glass of wine with the
purser, we finally leave the Indiaman and pull back
through the shipping on the first of the flood.
An Indiaman leaving Gravesend.

A fortnight later we find the Thames lying at
Gravesend with the Blue Peter flying. We get aboard
and then spend our time watching the busy scene.

http://www.archive.org/stream/blackwallfrigate00lubb2/blackwallfrigate00lubb2_djvu.txt

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