Hi,
I think our family's might be connected. I have also hit a bit of a wall as Irish records are hard to access from Australia. When I first read your post I thought that my great great grandfather was a brother of your Patrick Ryan but now I'm not so sure. I do think though that my great great grandmother is a sister of your Margaret Ahern.
My Great great grandfather was William Timothy Ryan who married Bridget Ahern in Brisbane Australia in 1894. Bridget came from Rossmore/Glenough Tipperary while William was born in Victoria Australia.
William's parents were Patrick Ryan and Mary O'Brien. Patrick and Mary were both from Tipperary but they were married in Victoria Australia in 1858, and I have birth records for these 3 children: John Patrick (1859), Jeremiah (1860), and my William Timothy (1864). I have recently found out that they also had 3 other children, Bridget Mary (1862-1863), Pierce Joseph (1867), and Mary Kate (1868). I have also found out recently that the family moved back to Ireland around 1872. I'm not sure why, as most people who emigrated to Australia usually stayed on. I haven't come across any other families in my tree who moved back to their country of origin.
From what I have been told, most of the family stayed in Ireland but John Patrick, William Timothy and Mary Kate all moved back to Australia and settled in Queensland.
William Timothy's wife, Bridget Ahern's parents are John Ahern and Margaret Heffernan. I think Bridget is your Margaret's sister.
Interestingly I was also told that William's brother, Pierce Joseph married a Margaret Ahern in 1894 in Ireland. I don't know where the person got this information from. I did wonder whether Pierce's wife Margaret, and Bridget were sisters but maybe the information about Pierce marrying Margaret was wrong or maybe this Margaret Ahern was a cousin of Bridget's and not her sister. A lot of family members often had the same names, daughters named after mothers or grandmothers etc.
I was also told that Jeremiah and Pierce were in the R.I.C (Royal Irish Constabulary) which didn't surprise me as Patrick (the father) was a constable in Australia when his children were born. I was surprised though to hear you talk of some of the brothers being in the resistance. So another clue that maybe my Ryan family and your Ryan family may not be immediate family. It's probable they could be cousins but I wonder if they are brothers. I think we need more concrete information. It would help if I could find some death certificates.
I would love to know where you found Patrick and Margaret's marriage certificate. I have searched rootsireland for records but haven't found any for this family, I don't think the records for some parts Tipperary are online.
Did Patrick and Margaret's marriage certificate list their age? I'm starting to wonder if the Patrick who married Margaret Ahern was my William's father or cousin and not his brother. William's father Patrick was born in Thurles Ireland around 1829. His parents were Patrick Ryan and Anne. The writing on his marriage record is difficult to read but it looks like his mother's surname may have been Daniel, Anne Daniel.
I can give you more information about Bridget Ahern if you like. I haven't found a birth record for her yet but I have her marriage and death certificate and it sounds as though she may be your Margaret Ahern's sister.
Look forward to hearing from you,
Lachelle
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