1851 Census: ALDRICH of LAMBETH

[carol8353]

We have been doubling up on the effort on this query,as a lot of the info has also been found on another thread too.Now removed.


You had already posted a look up for the 1851 Lambeth census on the London and Middlesex board (Lambeth is in Surrey) Not sure why you would do the same thing again barely an hour later on the Suffolk board?

Regards

Carol

[coops]

I assumed that genealogists investigating different UK locations might have access to different resources Carol.  Apologies if that's caused confusion.  I'll ask for the other thread to be closed.

And Barbara, thank you for 1851 info on William.

[Ladyhawk]

I'll check for more details about Rosetta.

Just in case you didn't find anything on Rosetta looks as if they both died

Burial 15 Mar 1856 Diss Parish
Rosetta Aldrich age 7 (1849)

Burial  4 Jan 1863 Diss
Rosetta Aldrich age 5 (1858)
Source familysearch

FreeBMD death entries for the two Rosetta’s

Rosetta Aldrich
Mar qtr. 1856 Depwade vol 4b page 140

Rosetta Aldrich
Mar qtr. 1863 Depwade vol 4b page 181

Tried the link Carol provided to check what other info. has been given on your Aldrich family
IT says Error occurred - either missing or off limits to you
so I presume it's locked
so can't check whether you have the following info. so have posted anyway

Marriage entry
Dec 1842 Lambeth vol 4 page 288
William Aldrich
Name on same page
Mary Ann Fourniss

3rd Oct 1842 St Mary Lambeth
William Aldrich occ Hatter father John occ Butcher
Mary Ann Fourniss father Thomas occ Artist
Both single, f/a, signed, both resd. Standgate Street
Wits George Joseph Scott & Mary Scott

for info.
this looks to be Mary Ann's baptism & possible siblings

Mary Ann Fourniss Baptism 8 Apr 1822 St Andrew Holbron born 20 Dec 1821
Father Thomas Matthew Fourniss occ China Painter  Mother Sarah
Abode Ely court

father’s name written as Matthew Thomas Lewis Fourniss occ Glass Painter mother Sarah

Thomas Charles Furniss 15 Mar 1818 St Sepulchure
Abode Fleet Lane

Alfred 25 Oct 1819 St Sepulchre Holbron
Abode 19 Fleet Market occ China Painter

Somerset born 10 Sep bapt 22 Nov 1824 St Andrew Holbron
Abode Ely Court

Elizabeth born 11 Aug  bapt 2 Dec 1828 St Andrew
Abode St Saviour Southwark

Rosetta Jane bapts  1 Apr 1835 St John the Evangelist Lambeth
Occ Glass maker abode Gra(?)st Lane St Saviours

Eleanor born 2 Mar 1831 bapt 1 Feb 1832 St Saviour Southwark
Parents Thomas occ Glass Painter abode Dyers Building& Sarah

There are marriage details of some of the above if required

[coops]

Wow... that's incredible Ladyhawk.  Thanks so much.  I hadn't expected to learn anything about the early lives of the Fournisses (being pre-1837).  Having checked on Free BMD, Fourniss appears to be a Yorkshire name and relatively few lived in London - which is helpful.  Any marriage details would be useful thanks.

And thanks for solving the mystery of young Rosetta Aldrich.  It explains why she sadly doesn't appear on the 1861 census entry where 17-year old William Henry makes his first appearance.  As Barbara suggests, he must have been staying with relatives in 1851; the butchering connection could be relevant.

My great x3 grandmother, Sarah Mary Ann, settled on going by the name Mary Ann Sarah in later life, hence the confusion.

It just goes to show that, with some work (on your part), the ill-fitting ALOUCH entry can be made to fit like a glove!  Have you thought about doing this for a living?

[Ladyhawk]

Having checked on Free BMD, Fourniss appears to be a Yorkshire name and relatively few lived in London - which is helpful.

 Any marriage details would be useful thanks.

Glad to have been of some help 

Here are some marriage details of the Fourniss family

19 Nov 1840 St Sepulchre Holbron
Alfred Fourniss f/a Artist f Matthew Thomas Lewis Artist
Alice Russell Brett f/a f Francis Russell Brett Mariner
Wits Francis Russell & Rose Russell Brett

2 Mar 1851 Gray's Inn Road Holy Trinity
Thomas Charles Fourniss f/a widow Ornamental Painter f Thomas Ornamental Painter
Margaret Downes f John Tailor
Wits Matthew Thomas Lewis Fourniss & Jane Downes

looks as if Thomas' first wife was named Ann

1841 c
HO107; P 1084; Book: 5; Civil Parish: St George The Martyr E D 9; F10; Page: 12
Thomas Chas 24 Painter, Ann 25

Bapt  St John the Evangelist Lambeth
Sarah 5 Apr 1837 parents Thomas Charles Fourniss occ Painter & Ann abode Windmill Street

7 Feb 1885 St Pancras
Charles John Fourniss occ Artist father dead married Hepzibah Lee
 f Joseph Horsekeeper, Both single, both signed wits H E & A Lee

17 Apr 1853 Gray's Inn Road Holy Trinity
Elizabeth Fourniss age 24 father Matthew Thomas Lewis occ Artist
George Buffham age 23 Engineer f John Servant
Wits Matthew Thomas Lewis & Thomas Charles Fourniss

18 Dec 1854
Rosetta Jane Fourniss minor father  Matthew Thomas Lewis Flower occ Painter
George William Mansfield f/a Piano Forte Maker f Edward (dec’d)
Wits Matthew Thomas Lewis Fourniss & Mary Ann Peaple

There are baptisms for Thomas & Margaret's children, some marriages etc....
Please let me know if you require these may take a while to sort everything & type the info. out

As this thread is about your Aldrich family and this info. is for Mary Ann Aldrich nee Fourniss' siblings
If you do require more details about the Fourniss family
do you want me to add the info. here
or
would you prefer me to PM (personal message) you ?
Let me know either way 

Do you have access to census info.?

[coops]

All of this is pure gold Ladyhawk.  But I take your point, we've strayed away from the Aldriches and I do still have a couple of questions about them.  So yes, by all means PM me on anything further relating to the Fournisses (an interesting sounding family - all very artistic or at least artisanistic).

Re. the Aldriches....  I would like to clearly establish Wlliam Aldrich's parentage.  Butcher John was mentioned in the marriage entry.  Barbara suggested that son William Henry (aged 7) could have been staying with a butcher uncle Geoge Aldrich (aged 23) in Diss in 1851 (Ref HO107/1821 Folio 312 Page 18).  If it's not asking too much, the 1841 census details for William (18?), brother George (13) and father John living on the Suffolk/Norfolk border would clinch confirmation of William's parentage.

Many thanks Coops

[Ladyhawk]

Re. the Aldriches....  I would like to clearly establish Wlliam Aldrich's parentage.

 Butcher John was mentioned in the marriage entry. 

Barbara suggested that son William Henry (aged 7) could have been staying with a butcher uncle Geoge Aldrich (aged 23) in Diss in 1851 (Ref HO107/1821 Folio 312 Page 18).

 If it's not asking too much, the 1841 census details for William (18?), brother George (13) and father John living on the Suffolk/Norfolk border would clinch confirmation of William's parentage.

Not finding John William & George together on 1841 census

There this 1841 census entry for an Aldrich family
 John occ Butcher but 1841 doesn't give relationships

HO107; Piece: 758; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Roydon ED 8; Folio: 11; Page: 19
John Aldrich 56 occ Butcher
Phebe 56
Mary 34
Henry 17
George 15
Susan 12
All born this county apart from Mary
(I suppose it's possible that Mary is the mother of Henry, George & Susan
and John & Phebe are the grandparents)

The 1851 census with George his pob is Diss and 1861 then in 1891/1881/1871c
his pob given as Roydon 

 I will take another look tomorrow 

[coops]

Hmmm... quite right, George could be the son of Mary, so not conclusive that he's William's brother.
It looks as though John & Phoebe died in the mid 1840s and so won't appear in any later censuses