Bartholomew Keenan and Bridget

[Puffin81]

Well that's odd isnt it? The tent part? And if it is them lucky too. Not so or them can't imagine people in tents out of choice in Carlisle in April brrrrrr

So if this is them I'm just missing father / spouse in 1851 (James)

Back to my 1861 missing bartholomew I have found evidence he lived on st Mary's in 1860 (court report) then 1871 three crowns lane, I got the codes from the national archives but can't work out how to look them up on ancestory? 

St Mary's comes out as ho 107/2429 folio 42
Three crowns lane ho 107/2429 folio 492-494 & ho 107/2430 folio 196

I've tried putting them in but get Mansfield, so I'm doing something wrong

Oh and I'm so sorry you guys are helping me and I forgot to give some more info, their addresses when married were given as annetwell street.

[Geoff-E]

but if future census are correct then their James wasn't born until 1869, would they have named 2 children the same if the 1st had died.

Yes, it happened a lot. 

[Puffin81]

but if future census are correct then their James wasn't born until 1869, would they have named 2 children the same if the 1st had died.

Yes, it happened a lot. 

Really  off to look for a death of the 1st James 

[emmsthheight]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat!

I found this fascinating!

I've been looking at the Keenan Berry McKenzie clan with some descendants and I live in Cumbria.

From what I've seen, I'm not at all amazed to see "Tent" mentioned!

Along  with "Behind a hedge", "Camping by the side of the road", etc etc !

The ones I know were various travelling people who intermarried.  They were hawkers, besom makers, potters,  and similar,

Many were just given as travellers or hawkers but one branch were actually Romanies and another branch were involved in pottery manufacture and settled to have china shops.

They were based round Cockermouth eventually but travelled round West Cumbria, Carlisle, Appleby, Westmorland and beyond.  Some emigrated to America.

I'll look at what I have and also pass a link to the family.

The Keenans came from Ireland.

John Keenan married Elizabeth McKenzie, apparently mid 19C but never found.

One son married into the Berry family.

No guarantees but there were a limited number of Keenans around and loads have turned out to be linked.

By the way, one branch of our family has four sisters called Mary, after three died in infancy.

Enjoy Rootschat!

Best wishes

Emms 

[Puffin81]

Thanks Emma  Elizabeth Mackenzie sounds familiar but it could be cos I've seen all the names lol.

What a coincidence I actually live in Appleby so who knows I might share irish descendants to some of the locals

Finding it very sad so far, no happy story's just looks to be aload of poor people who rubbish things keep happening to

[Gary Keenan]

Hi, just joined this site today so please bear with me.
My family were the Keenans from Cockermouth, James born abt 1800 in Ireland, possibly Derry and married to an Elizabeth ( name unknown ), they first show up in an 1851 census but have been recorded as Keynon, Kennon, Keaney, so it quite easy to loose track of them.
They had 7 children to my knowledge, Jane, James, Hugh, Nancy Ann ( my line ), Elizabeth, William F.,and Rachel and married local families including the Richardsons, Andersons ( Ireland ), Browns, Youngs, and Frances.
Hope some of this is of interest, please get in touch if you would like more information !

[Puffin81]

Hi there, I would love to know more, did you manage to trace the line into Ireland?  That's where I got stuck

[Gary Keenan]

Hi there, I would love to know more, did you manage to trace the line into Ireland?  That's where I got stuck

Yes I`ve found one census in Ireland from 1821, it has a Margrat Keenan 50yrs, farmer, James Keenan her son, 20yrs, labourer, Mary Keenan her daughter, 13yrs, flax spinner, the location has been lost through fire damage so this may not be my James Keenan ( his age is spot on ), but it took weeks to find it so I`m quite keen to hold on to it until I`ve discounted it completely,
Also on the census are McAlindon`s, McEllboy`s, McMahan`s, and McClelland`s.
I`ve recently discovered they were called O`Keenan back in Ireland and dropped the "O" later in England.
Hope some of this is of interest.