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who was Mary Jane ??? b 1867 - we think Ludlow
« on: Wednesday 10 July 13 08:23 BST (UK) »
Good morning - this is my wifes side of the family and I am trying to help my wifes cousin research her side of the family ...this is what I have
Thomas Watkins b c1863 Ludlow - marries a Mary Jane ???.....children ( direct relation in capitals )
Alice 1885 - Margaret 1890 - Lillie 1893 - Annie 1894 - William 1899 - Thomas 1900 - Leonard c1905
OLIVE WATKINS 1907 - 1997 ....
SO - who did Thomas Watkins marry - I have Mary Jane as born Ludlow with a question mark ...also notice Alice 1885 / Margaret 1890 ...I would think at least another child in between ???
notice Annie 1894 / William 1899 .....again - should there be at least another child ???
basically ...this info is all from the family today ...I need to confirm all this info - or correct it ...so although I will spend the next couple of hours on it , any help will be greatly appreciated ...many hands make light work ...lol
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garstonite ...added...I have eldest Alice born Ludlow - youngest Olive born Garston - so sometime between 1885 and 1907 the family moved to Garston ...
Mildred Mary Watkins -baptised 25th march 1896 -Ludlow - to Thomas Watkins and Mary Jane  .looks like another sibling
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Re: who was Mary Jane ??? b 1867 - we think Ludlow
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 July 13 08:33 BST (UK) »
I feel a bit silly, doing census returns for you, Garstonite, but I'll crack on!

1891 census: Class: RG12; Piece: 2081; Folio: 64; Page: 25
4 Water Side, St Laurence, Ludlow, Shropshire

Watkins, Thomas  Head  M  27  General Labourer  b Ludlow
Watkins, Mary J  Wife  F  24  Laundress  b Ludlow
Watkins, Margaret  Daughter  F  6 months  b Ludlow
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Re: who was Mary Jane ??? b 1867 - we think Ludlow
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 July 13 08:41 BST (UK) »
1901 census: Class: RG13; Piece: 3507; Folio: 66; Page: 21
17 Saltworks Cottages, Garston, Lancashire

Watkins, Thomas  Head  M  38  Dock Labourer  b  Ludlow
Watkins, Mary  Wife  F  35  b Ludlow
Watkins, Alice  Daughter  F  16  Factory Hand  b Ludlow
Watkins, Margaret  Daughter  F  11  b Ludlow
Watkins, Lillie  Daughter  F  8  b Ludlow
Watkins, Annie  Daughter  F  7  b Ludlow
Watkins, William  Son  M  2  b Garston
Watkins, Thomas  Son  M  11 months  b Garston
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Re: who was Mary Jane ??? b 1867 - we think Ludlow
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 10 July 13 08:46 BST (UK) »
KGarrad - thanks for the help ....this is compiled from a relation in South Wales - so I don`t know how correct it is ...so I need all the help I can get - otherwise it will take a long time - and the pubs open at 12 ...lol
I have found that Leonard is in fact Robert Leonard Watkins born 8th sept 1905 / baptised 30th november at St Michaels,Garston
looks like Mildred Mary Watkins bap 25th march 1896 ,Ludlow is another sibling ...
thanks again for helping - that address is a nice bonus
4 Water Side ,St Laurence ,Ludlow ...sounds very posh ...no Alice though ??...
ah - just seen next post ..Alice is there ...wonder where she was in 1891 ?.....so family moved to Garston between 1894 and 1899 looking at childrens birth places ...thanks - thats a good start
added...no Mildred Mary though - maybe she isn`t a family member - or she died ?
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Re: who was Mary Jane ??? b 1867 - we think Ludlow
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 July 13 08:51 BST (UK) »
I think Midred Mary Watkins b 1896 was a sibling - died aged 1 in march qtr 1897 ...Ludlow...so family still in Ludlow then - narrows it down to 1897-1899 for move to Garston ...
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Re: who was Mary Jane ??? b 1867 - we think Ludlow
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 July 13 08:52 BST (UK) »
Can't see a marriage?

Maybe Alice is the key - under mother's maiden name in 1891?

There IS a marriage in 1881, Wolverhampton, but that would make Mary Jane only 15?! :o
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Re: who was Mary Jane ??? b 1867 - we think Ludlow
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 July 13 08:52 BST (UK) »
Hi

Not found a marriage but there's a very interesting Mary J Catstree on the 1871 RG10/2723/32/18 (mother - Margaret, father - William )   and on the 1881 RG11/2613/44/15


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Re: who was Mary Jane ??? b 1867 - we think Ludlow
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 July 13 08:53 BST (UK) »
She's not there on the 1891 and no marriage found for her so far - not checked deaths


Added - they might not have married - it did happen!
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Re: who was Mary Jane ??? b 1867 - we think Ludlow
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 July 13 08:55 BST (UK) »
A death in 1885, Ludlow but that one is 77 so the 1866/7 one is  still a poss.
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