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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 18 January 14 19:10 GMT (UK) »
   This is quite fantastic, Monica and Tom.    I had a long search for the twins last night, and as you have found there is nothing after 1871 in England, and only vague hints in Scotland, i.e. a John Forsyth and an Alexander Forsyth showing years of birth as 1865 and 1866 but at two different parish's of Edinburgh.
    We have a Dr John Forsyth at our Hampton Park Clinic, so must find out if he knows his heritage.  Might take time as he only practices there once a week now.
     The William Forsyth who died 7 April 1950 was Allan's gt.grandfather, and my grand-childrens' gt.gt.grandfather.
     I'll search trove now in the hope of finding more about John Grant Forsyth who died in 1953.  Thanks Again,  Malcolm
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 18 January 14 20:17 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks Tom, Monica, & Malcolm !!  :D

Your efforts have finally broken down the brick wall that has been blocking me from researching my Scottish roots and discovering which other Forsyth families here in New Zealand that I may be related to. All I have to do now is find which ship they may have emigrated on and the passenger lists. There now exist a possibility from what you discovered that the family may have travelled first to Australia before William arrived in NZ, or else John Grant Forsyth travelled to Aust. from NZ later. Will now need to track his gene pool in Aust.

Monica, that online tree you mentioned that quotes from his death cert on 7 April 1950 as stating that William had lived in NZ for 75 years may be my tree, LOL :). Please PM me the URL so I may confirm.

Malcolm, Leanne will need to exercise her baking skills in a few weeks & make a cake for her 50th birthday.

 

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 18 January 14 20:47 GMT (UK) »
That is great news that it makes sense to you both what we are all finding here.

I am sure Allan that the online tree is very like yours (from a/try?). If they left the UK in the mid 1870s, given the ages of parents William and Marion, there may be more children/siblings to find in Australia/NZ hopefully. The manifest is important to try and help with this, but hopefully you both have alternatives sources to look for more info. You could also try posting on the NZ/Australian boards here on RootsChat (www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=165.0 and www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=299.0). Lots more local help available on those boards. Just add the link to this post here so people can see what you have so far, so they can pick up threads quicker and be able to add new info.

We stay curious here. Come back and let us know how you get on please!

Allan, I am guessing someone may have already or will look at the marriage cert for Marian Grant and William F to give you a 100% confirmation on their parents' details and other info. Scottish certs are great in terms of info post 1855 and the start of official registration.

Monica
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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 18 January 14 23:32 GMT (UK) »
    So far no luck finding John Grant Forsyth in trove.   Looks like we'll have to get his death certificate and Aussie certificates are very informative.   I have a Queensland cert in front of me and it gives When Died and Where,  Name and surname and profession or trade, sex and age,  Cause of death, duration of last illness, Medical Attendant, When he last saw deceased,  Name and surname of father, profession trade or occupation of father,  Name and maiden surname of mother,  Signature and residence of informant, signature of registrar, When and where buried or cremated, name and religion of minister and/or names of two witnesses of burial or cremation, Where born and how long in Australian states, stating which, If married, where, at what age, to whom, and Issue living in order of birth, their names and ages.
    I then checked the Brisbane paper not only for the obituary, but what was happening that day, and it was quite dramatic as on the night before the funeral they had the most terrible storm with horses bolting, floods, lightning galore, etc.   That was back on 16 December 1890.
    I have told Rhonda via facebook about John's death in 1953.   I would order the certificate but don't want to steal anyone's thunder ;)
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields


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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 18 January 14 23:48 GMT (UK) »
But Haddingtonshire was the name for the Royal Borough of Haddington before 1921 which is some 20 miles east of Edinburgh.

Not exactly. Haddingtonshire is an obsolete name for the County of East Lothian, which includes, but is not restricted to, the Burgh of Haddington. ('Borough' is the spelling used in England where 'Burgh' is used in Scotland).



Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 19 January 14 00:45 GMT (UK) »
    So far no luck finding John Grant Forsyth in trove.   Looks like we'll have to get his death certificate and Aussie certificates are very informative.   I have a Queensland cert in front of me and it gives When Died and Where,  Name and surname and profession or trade, sex and age,  Cause of death, duration of last illness, Medical Attendant, When he last saw deceased,  Name and surname of father, profession trade or occupation of father,  Name and maiden surname of mother,  Signature and residence of informant, signature of registrar, When and where buried or cremated, name and religion of minister and/or names of two witnesses of burial or cremation, Where born and how long in Australian states, stating which, If married, where, at what age, to whom, and Issue living in order of birth, their names and ages.
    I then checked the Brisbane paper not only for the obituary, but what was happening that day, and it was quite dramatic as on the night before the funeral they had the most terrible storm with horses bolting, floods, lightning galore, etc.   That was back on 16 December 1890.
    I have told Rhonda via facebook about John's death in 1953.   I would order the certificate but don't want to steal anyone's thunder ;)

Found this in Trove http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/57261880

 FUNERAL NOTICES

THE Funeral of the late MR JOHN GRANT FORSYTH, of Eventide Home,

late of Gladstone, will move from our   Funeral Parlour, Alma Street, THIS 

(Friday) FORENOON, at 11.30 o'clock

for the North Rockhampton Cemetery. Tele. Nos. TUCKER & NANKIVELL 2478 - 2616 Funeral Directors

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 19 January 14 04:07 GMT (UK) »
  Fantastic, Allan.   So now we have the date of the funeral -17th July 1953 and he was in Gladstone.   Wonder what he was doing there?   I'm sure we are about to find out.  I've only ever driven through Gladstone on way to Tannum Sands, when driving down from Cairns.

   I tried all kinds of searches with Trove, so you were meant to find him.   Sounds like he was in a home, which means there had to be family not far away.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 19 January 14 14:12 GMT (UK) »
From his Australian voters rolls' entries:

1925 Cook, Thylungra, Thargomindah, Maranoa*
1930-37 Barcaldine Reserve, Cook, Barcaldine Kennedy
1943 Reserve, Roma, Maranoa
1949 Pensioners Reserve, Gladstone, Capricornia

*Just in case connected, in 1925 next to John's entry is one for a Frank Holbert Forsyth, a labourer, Eromanga Post Office.  Allan, you might well have him already here http://clanforsythaustralia.org/familygroup.php?familyID=F49&tree=BLACK01

William Forsyth b. 1860, also a cook/chef?

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 19 January 14 20:09 GMT (UK) »
*Just in case connected, in 1925 next to John's entry is one for a Frank Holbert Forsyth, a labourer, Eromanga Post Office.  Allan, you might well have him already here http://clanforsythaustralia.org/familygroup.php?familyID=F49&tree=BLACK01

Monica

    This may be a coincidence.    Frank Holbert's family tree doesn't match up at all.   In that tree Frank's grandfather is an Alexander Forsyth who did name one of his children William, but that William was born in 1853, not 1837.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields