Completed with Thanks - Clifford / Griffin - What's the next step?

[Nettie]

I seem to have hit a stumbling block with this particular family line (my great, great grandparents)

John Clifford b? 1850 (from census)
Julia Griffin b? 1853 (From census)

*Marriage 19 Feb 1881 - Glenbeigh / Glencar, Kerry
At the time of marriage John was a resident of Carah, Julia - Ballynakilla
Unfortunately there are no parents names listed on the irishgeneology record. One witness is James Griffin
*In 1901 they were residents of Caragh.
*In 1911, Julia is still in Caragh.
*John died between the two censuses, however I have no details on their deaths either.
*They had 10 children between 1881 - 1902 - for which I have information .


I am looking for dates of birth / death for both, or any other suggestion.
Thanks in advance.

[aghadowey]

Civil marriage record should list fathers' names & occupations (mothers are never listed).

See www.familysearch.org for civil registration index for details needed to order certificates- although with such common names it might be difficult to find the correct entries.

For birth dates you'll need to check church records for baptisms since registration of births didn't start until 1864.

[athacliath62]

from familysearch marriage index :

Julia - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYWD-DT1
John - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYWD-K4W

[athacliath62]

the above is a possible match

there are about four John Clifford deaths in the same district bewteen the two census that could be Julia's husband. You would probbaly need to order these to see if any fit. There are some Kerry Co. Council burial records online somewhere that might help - dont have the link at the moment

[myluck!]

Civil marriage record will have father’s names recorded as stated

edited to add: there is a family tree on A******y.com that shows Julia's father as Maurice

www.Irishgenealogy.ie has Kerry records online

Marriage in 1881

1850 baptisms of a Julia Griffin in Kerry of which there is one in Ballinakilla in 1856 but would require proof; parents shown as Maurice and Ellen COFFEE

Links to their children’s names may help but assuming these are their children there is no obvious Maurice in particular.

You could use the same principal to search for John; on first glance this looks a good match but again requires proof.

[Nettie]

Thanks aghadowey athacliath and myluck.

The marriage is the same one I have so I will have to get the cert and see if it has any further details, as well as the possible birth / death certs.

I had seen the A*y family but Maurice doesn't appear anywhere else in the family line, which made me think it wasn't likely.

A*y has given me a couple of hints for both for births.
For John, one has the father Eugene, which has the same problem as Maurice, however, the second one has parents Timothy Clifford and Mary Shea, baptism 21 April 1850, Killarney. (There is a son named Timothy)
For Julia, John Griffin and Hannah Kennedy, 20 August 1854, Currow.

Aside from having the marriage cert, is there anyway of including / excluding possibilities?

[myluck!]

The marriage cert will be proof of the father's names and the bride and groom's addresses at that time

From there you can search for birth/baptism details but may have to use some assumptions and presumptions! Moving to a wider circle of family can be time consuming but fruitful.

On records; witnesses and sponsors are often relatives; finding a married sibling and looking at their marriage may provide access to a mother's name and/or other details

Finding these people on the census returns may also give clues to relatives
If you're lucky they have an in-law and voila you have a name

Children's names could have followed a pattern

Happy Hunting!

[Nettie]

Thanks, myluck!

By chance, I Googled this couple again and came upon this Rootsweb find:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdromanski&id=I33495

It pretty much has all i was looking for. I have contacted the man who put the profile together and will await his response. He has included Maurice Griffin and Ellen Coffey as the parents, so I'd like to know how he verified this.

 

[aghadowey]

According to the page posted the parents names are from Julia's baptism record.