Giles Family Essex

[jen83]

Hi there, Im currently tracing my mother in laws family tree and they were led to believe that her father came from Romy Gypsies. Her fathers surname was Giles. They were told that his mother came from Romy Gypsie's, but we arnt sure if this is correct. On his fathers side the surnames are Giles, Radbourn, Barrett and Batten. On his mothers side I have the names Head, Banks and Warren with a head marrying another Head to. Wondered if anyone would be able to shed some light on this or even point me in the right direction.
Kind regards

Jen

[suzard]

Hello and welcome to RootsChat

Could you give more information ?
(Please remember it is RootsChat policy to not name the living/maybe living (to avoid spam etc)
Maybe some forenames and y.o.b.'s??

Suz

[jen83]

This is some of the Information I have, I dont have much on the Paternal line more on the mothers.

Paternal line

Arthur Giles b. 1905 d.1981 essex
father-John Giles b. 1874 d. 1947 essex
mother- Eliza Radbourn b. 1871 d. 1952 essex

Grandparents

John Giles b. 1851 d.1914 born in berkshire but at death was in essex
Elizabeth Batten b. 1848 d. 1931 born in berkshire but at death was in essex

David Radbourn b. 1829 d. 1903 Berkshire
Harriet Barrett b. 1833 d. 1903 Berkshire

That is all the information I have on the Paternal line so far.

Maternal Line

Gladys Head b. 1907 d. 1973 essex

Parents were Edmund Head b.1878 and Nellie (who we think may have been born Helen) b.1879 both were born in wynenhoe essex

I dont have any further information on Nellie but I have traced back on Edmund.

His Parents were William Head b. 1856 wynenhoe essex and Harriett Head b. 1856 Wynenhoe Essex

His great Grandparents were Joesph Head b. 1821 d. 1888 and Sarah Warren b. 1831 d. 1877 both in wynenhoe essex.

I have parents for both of them, they were

John Head b. 1794 d.1863 and Elizabeth Banks b.1795 d. 1863

John Warren b. 1802 d. 1875 and Elizabeth Waller b. 1803 d.1881

as I said we are on the understanding that the maternal line is where the romay gyspy would be.

[suzard]

Grandparents

John Giles b. 1851 d.1914 born in berkshire but at death was in essex
Elizabeth Batten b. 1848 d. 1931 born in berkshire but at death was in essex



Maternal Line



I dont have any further information on Nellie but I have traced back on Edmund.

It looks like Edmund had the middle name of William

He married Nellie Bailey
Marriage reg FreeBMD
Mar qtr 1901
Colchester
on same page
(transcribed as) Edmen William Head
Nellie Bailey
4a 691

marriage cert would give father's name

Nellie seems to be (on various census) Nellie/Helen/Ellen
1901 census with her and Edmund is Eliza Bailey visitor 17 b. Lexden Essex

could she be nellie's sister

Possibly Nellie is Ellen on earlier census with parents Charles  and Sarah A

will post more later as I have to go out now

Suz

[suzard]

here's a few census
1901
8 Brook St Colchester Essex
Edmund Head Head M 23 Coal Carter Wivenhoe Essex
Nellie wife 22 Stanway Essex
William G son 1month Colchester Essex
Eliza Bailey visitor U charwoman Lexden Essex

I thought Eliza Bailey may be Nellie's sister - I believe she is

1891
Squirells Lane Colchester Essex
#Charles Bailey Head M 42 Agricultuaral labourer Stanway Essex
Sarah A wife 40 Layer Essex
Charles son 17 Gardener Stanway Essex
Walter son 15 Kitchen Boy Stanway Essex
ELLEN daughter 12 scholar Stanway Essex
Frederick W son 10scholar Stanway Essex
ELIZA E daughter 7 Lexden Essex
Marth daughter 5 Lexden
Louisa daughter 2 Lexden
Arthur A son 3 mths lexden
RG12 1409 52 3

no sign so far of a Romany connection

Marriage cert would give Nellie's father's name and confirm/disprove he father was Charles

Suz

[jen83]

thank you so much for the information that has been given so far, u have been a great help, ive only just got into geneology so learning all the time x

[suzard]

You need to check that Nellie/Helen/Ellen was the daughter of Charles & Sarah Ann Bailey

I have followed them back and there doesn't seem to be any sign of them being Romany

I will post the census etc

1881
Near Green Stanway Essex
Charles Bailey Head M 31 ag lab Stanway essex
Sarah Ann wife 32 Layer de la Hay Essex
Charles son 8 scholar Stanway
Walter son 5 Stanway
ELLEN daughter 2 Stanway
RG11 1798 28 10

Charles and Sarah Ann in earlier census
1871
Bottle end Lexden Essex
Samuel Moss Head M 23 lab at Mill
Matilda wife 22 Layer de la Hay
Caroline daughter Stanway
Charles Bailey Lodger 22 M ag lab Stanway
Sarah A Bailey Lodger M 20 Layer de la Hay
James? Bailey 10mth Lexden
RG10 1686 51 27
the Bailey child would have been born pre marriage so may be registered as Vinson/Vince/Vincent (name entered differently on various census)

Marriage reg FreeBMD
Charles Bailey
Sarah Ann Vinson
Dec qtr 1870
Lexden
4a 555
Matilda Moss who Charles & Sarah Ann were lodging with was Sarah Ann's sister

Marriage reg FreeBMD
Samuel Joseph Moss
Matilda Vincent
Sept qtr 1868
Lexden
4a 479
(Matilda's birth was reg as Vinson)

Charles Bailey was the son of John & Rhoda Bailey
1871
Stanway essex
John Bailey Head M 60 ag lab Stanway
Rodah wife 66
George G grandson 9 scholar Stanway
RG10 1691 119 10

1851
7 Green Stanway
John Bailey Head M 47 ag lab
Rhodah wife 45
John son 23 ag lab
Daniel son 18
Emma daughter 13?
Robert son 11
Eliza daughter 7
CHARLES son 3
all b Stanway
HO107 1782 478 33

1841
Stanway Essex
John Bayley 35 labourer
Rhoda 35
John 13
William 12
Daniel 10
Emma 3
all b in Essex
HO107 334 12

and here is Sarah Ann(who married Charles Bailey)'s family
1861
Malting Green Layer de la Hay Essex
Samuel Vince Head M 36 ag lab Layer de la Hay
Sarah Ann wife 33 Fangringhoe? Essex
Elizabeth daughter 15 servant Stanway
Matilda daughter 12 Layer de la Hay
SARAH ANN daughter 10 Layer de la Hay
Ester daughter 7 Layer de la Hay
William son 5 Layer de la Hay
Susan daughter 3 Layer de la Hay
Samuel son 8mths Layer de la Hay
RG9 1103 25 5

1851
 Malt Green Layer de la Hay Essex
Samuel Vincent Head M 26 ag lab Layer de la Hay
Sarah Ann wife 22 Fingringhoe Essex
Elizabeth daughter 5 Fingringhoe
Matilda daughter 5 Layer de la Hay
SARAH ANN daughter 2mths Layer de la Hay
HO107 1782 361 19

and here's Samuel

1841
Layer de la Hay Essex
Sarah Vincent 40 schoolmistress
SAMUEL 15 ag lab
William 10 ag lab
Jonathan 7 ag lab
all b Essex
HO107 342 5 9 12

Still no Romany connections - they seem to all have worked the land.

Suz

[Kedi01]

Hello, I have Daniel Giles b1806 Berkshire marrying Louisa Lovell b1813 St Giles In the Field London. Their children were: Jane Giles b1839, Lewis Giles b1841, Albert Giles b1843, Charles Giles b1845, Caroline Union Giles b1846, Matilda Giles b1848, Henrietta Giles b1859, Angelina Giles b1852 and Brittania Giles b1858.
I don't have much info on Daniel, but Louisa was the daughter of Thomas Lovell and Union Bosworth....that couple being a complete mystery to me!
Your john Giles may be a cousin ?

[suzard]

I don't have much info on Daniel, but Louisa was the daughter of Thomas Lovell and Union Bosworth....that couple being a complete mystery to me!

Marriage by Banns
St Leonard Shoreditch
7 Mar 1803
Thomas Lovell of the Parish Bachelor
Union Bosworth of the Parish Spinster
witnesses John Smith & Joseph Lovell
all "made their mark"

Suz
Parish register Page 337 entry 1009