Marriage in Pau, Lower Pyrenees, France

[sft456]

Hi
Several of my Haines Family made their home in Pau in the 1870s, 1880.s as well as bmds. One Edith Mary Haines married a Dr William Bruce Oliphant there in @1884 and produced 2 children. I would like to purchase the m Cert to ascertain his parent(s); is this possible...I have no reference?

Thanks in anticipation

Jane

[jorose]

French bmds for that area can be obtained online:
http://earchives.cg64.fr/etat-civil-search-form.html
"Tables Decennales" are ten years indexes
(once you've found the records you want a new window will open up - you need to hit "Accès aux documents numérisés")

I can see the births of the children (1884 and 1887) in Pau but not the marriage (perhaps not registered with the French authorities?)

There is a GRO consular record:
William Bruce Oliphant, married Pau, Volume 7 page 526  (1881-1885)
This can be ordered through the GRO (http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ ).

From http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk it looks like the marriage was in April, 1883, and at Trinity Church, Pau.

I have another source for newspapers through my library - the marriage notices show that he was the eldest son of "Ebenezer Oliphant" and his MD appears to have been from Edinburgh.

This may be him: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTRW-4FH

An interesting 1854 newspaper entry matching the above says that a son was born on the 26th Oct, at Hazelbank, Murrayfield, Mrs Ebenzer Oliphant, late of Wooriwyrite, Victoria, Australia.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18588344?searchTerm=%22Ebenezer%20Oliphant%22&searchLimits=
 - interesting one tying it all up - death of Francis Ormond, who had been travelling to Pau where relatives of his wife lived.  He'd married, in 1886, a daughter of Ebenezer Oliphant who had been an early settler in Victoria but at that time lived in France.

[jorose]

8 May 1889 - death of Francis Ormond in Pau.  Show him as married to Mary Oliphant, and one of the witnesses is father in law Ebenezer Oliphant. As with the other marriage there's no reference in the French records to his marriage in 1886.

Death of Agnes reported in Australia newspapers:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2096438?searchTerm="Ebenezer Oliphant"

Ebenezer must have died around 1897 and had some property remaining in Victoria:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/9152399?searchTerm="Ebenezer Oliphant"

Plus a gravestone photo with details of multiple members of the family including "William Bruce MD":
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xz6/

[sft456]

Thank you very much for your very detailed reply, apologies for my late response

I was unable to search http://earchives.cg64.fr/etat-civil-search-form.html since I couldn't understand how to use it. How did you find the births of their children....again I'm lost, I'm afraid. Do you have a date for the marraige between Haines & Oliphant....you quoted a newspaper in your
library, again I don't know how to access the info

I would be grateful for any help

Jane

[jorose]

This is one of the worse-designed French archive websites, unfortunately:

http://earchives.cg64.fr/etat-civil-search-form.html
in "nom Geographic" put Pau - there should be a pop up that you can click on, just "Pau" in the box isn't enough.
in "year" just put the approximate year you're looking for (i.e. 1886), then search

On the results page, there should be a link with "see results".

For the indexes you're looking for the "tables" - click the appropriate year range (i.e. 1883-1893).  A new window should open up.

I'm hoping that this may work as a direct link to the new window:  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0y29/
On the left hand side is a big list of places/dates which should allow you access to all the appropriate records you need, sorted by place and then year. I don't know why you can't access this directly.   If the link works, it will probably be much easier to just go from there. If you need other locations you can just use the scrollbar on the left to find them.

Once you're in the right place, you then need to select "Accès aux documents numérisés" to see the images.  Sometimes the tables are semi-alphabetic - i.e. all the H records for 1883, followed by all the H records for 1884...

Once you have date for that, you can find them in the original records (NMD) There are normally also yearly indexes found either at the start or end of each year.

For the Haines/Oliphant marriage have a look on http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
Just a search for "Bruce Oliphant" brings a couple of references up.  Just from the free search, there's one printed 9th April which says "on the 5th" .

Also check if your local library has any access to any older British newspaper databases - in some cases these will be accessible from home with your library card.

[chriskee]

Hi Jane,
I am related to this Oliphant family.  If you would like to get in tuoch please contact me
Regards,
Chris

[chriskee]

Hi Jane,
Its been quite a while since your original post - and I have only just realised that you cannot PM me if I don't have more that 3 posts myself. Hopefully that will be sorted soon!

I am related to this Oliphant family.  I would be very pleased to share information.  Briefly Ebenezer Oliphant was the youngest son (and youngest child) of William Oliphant, Bookseller, in Edinburgh.  This Oliphant family was heavily involved in bookselling and publishing - you may have come across Oliphant Anderson & Ferrier which was a later incarnation of the business.  Eventually the business became Morrison & Gibb.  This Morrison was a first cousin of Dr William Bruce Oliphant.  My connection is also through the Morrisons.

Regards,
Chris