1841, 1851 census lookup

[rosie17]

Hi Maddy ....what do you think of this I found a baptism for William Mortimer Walters 1792 at St Mary the Virgin Stanwell Middlesex parents Valentine Walters and Mary Walters maybe just a coincidence with the Mortimer name ( but not many about so far )
Valentine and Mary Walters had several children as follows

William Mortimer Walters baptism 24/8/1783 ( this one must have died )
Sarah Walters baptism 20/7/1777 ( died )

Ann Walters baptism 23/1/1779
Sarah Walters baptism 23/6/1781
Thomas Walters baptism 5/6/1785
Joseph Walters baptism 1787
Elizabeth Walters baptism 22/12/1789
Ester Walters baptism 1796
Elizabeth Walters baptism 27/12/1789

[maddys52]

Thankyou so much Rosie, those do look interesting - certainly worth following up, Thomas looks about the right age to be father of Thomas who married Jane (again, so many Thomas's!).

I got a bit excited last night when I found a reference (just using familysearch) to Thomas Walters jnr b 1774, died 1815 Liverpool, occ Linen Draper, but couldn't find any more details. Of course that death date seems a bit early, but then I wondered if another pair of eyes on the marriage of Thomas Walters and Jane Mcmaster in 1838 might produce different ages for them? Also wondered if the death of Thomas Mortimer Walters at Chorlton in 1844 might have some further info?

Hope I'm not asking too much,
thanks again!

[rosie17]

Yes that what I thought will see what I can find on them I think you should maybe try and get a copy for the death for Thomas Mortimer Walters 1844 to see if it is Jane McMasters husband or his father ....I think it is more likely to be his father as why would she wait until 1860 before marrying again ....So where are they in 1851,1861?

[maddys52]

Thanks Rosie,

Been without my computer for a few days, went through withdrawal symptoms! I've done some double checking and realised that the info I was given about Thomas and Jane's ages at their marriage actually came from the marriage banns which as I understand only says if a person is over 21 - so they weren't necessarily 21 in 1838. Also tried to find when Jane and George Hugh Fishley arrived in Australia, but couldn't find it easily. I found a reference to George's applying for a hotel licence in Brisbane in March 1865, so must have been very close to Thomas' arrival in 1863. George apparently was a crewman on the Wansfell, and named his hotel the Wansfell.

I was wondering if it would be possible to try to locate Jane Fishley (Walters, Mcmaster) in the 1861 census, and whether my Thomas might be with her? I think there's a reference to George Fishley as being at sea.

thanks again for all your help, would never have made the Fishley connection without you!

[rosie17]

Hi Maddy
                          I am having the same problem trying to find them in 1861 census still looking ...can't seem to find immigration records for Jane also ...not seeing Horatio either in 1861 ..will keep looking 

[rosie17]

Don't know if you seen this Probate and administration 1908 Brisbane Courier
Jane Fishley Bald Hills widow ..to Samuel Unwin Bald Hills dairyman and W T Attow Brisbane solicitor , Realty and personally £1103.

[maddys52]

Thanks Rosie,

Actually hadn't seen that one! I have found a copy of George Fishley's who must have left some property to Horatio Rowley, as well as Jane. Horatio's then went to his wife in England. So interesting!

[rosie17]

Hi Maddy     came across this one Jane Walters head widow b Ireland 1811 ..lodging house keeper at St Pancras London ,Mary Macklin born 1824 London and her daughter Jane M Macklin born 1849 London in 1851 census
Also Jane Walters b1821 Ireland working as a cook in St Thomas Liverpool ??

[maddys52]

Thanks Rosie, they both sound possible, going now on their ages (if it's them) in the 1841 census that keyboard found in Sheffield, Jane would be born about 1816 - 5 years either way, so could be either, although it's a bit of a hike to London from the north (my geography's not great)? I'm really intrigued now what happened to this family, presumably father dies, and children seem to split up from each other and from mother, although they all end up together again in Australia. Curiouser and curiouser.