Barnsley couple die Jan 1838

[andycand]

Hi

If they are doing a search then that suggests you did not select GRO Reference known. Also keep a record of what you enter on the form.

To add to Ruskies post, if you are applying for a specific certificate you have found in the GRO Index then select GRO Reference known and then enter the details exactly as in the GRO Index, no more, no less

Andy

[Jason46]

Thanks for the advice and I will try again.I did write to them before making my request and and they told me to use the date 01/01 and that they would search, I did not use the volume or page number.

[andycand]

Thanks for the advice and I will try again.I did write to them before making my request and and they told me to use the date 01/01 and that they would search, I did not use the volume or page number.

Hi

That is the way to go if there are a number of possibilities and you don't know which is yours, the problem with death certificates is that they don't include family details as a matter of course which makes adding additional information to help the search difficult. Any certificate purchase is going to be speculative, and you may still not be sure if you have the right person.

Andy

[Ruskie]

Agree with Andy. We all end up buying some (sometimes many) incorrect certificates, but at least it helps to cross the wrong ones off your list.

In theory shouldn't their search a year either side have picked up the one Andy refered you to? Possibly the fact that you asked for a search for Thomas rather than Tom?  Seems logical to pick up Tom as well but they are pretty exact in their searches. Unsure if it is still the case but if the surname was spelled 'incorrectly' in the index, you had to ask for that exact spelling, despite it being wrong,  or they would not issue the certificate.

Good lick with the order and I hope this is the right certificate.

[Jason46]

On their form letter they enclosed a reply code so I wrote and gave them everything, including page and volume number and asked them to please take another look. I now have a few certificates which I don't require and this might be another, but as you say, it helps narrow down possibilities. I'll let you know what happens. Cheers!

[Jason46]

Hi Ruskie and Andy
I contacted GRO again and this was their reply.

Dear Mr Carpenter

Thank you for your enquiry.

Death Certificate: Thomas Barnsley           1838 Penrith             

We have again checked the General Register Office (GRO) indexes and are unable to find an entry matching all the details provided in your order.

As a full refund has previously been made to your account, if you would like us to issue a certificate from the reference you have found in the GRO indexes, please make a fresh application quoting the information as it appears in the indexes.

Please be aware however, if any other information not recorded in the indexes is supplied, this will not be checked against the entry.
I guess I am out of luck.

[andycand]

Hi

As has been mentioned before you need to make sure that when you order a certificate from the GRO the information is exactly as in the index. In the case of the 1838 death it is TOM Barnsley not Thomas.
Order the certificate again answering the question as to whether you have the GRO references or not as YES and then enter the name as TOM Barnsley, and enter the references in the correct boxes.

Andy

[Ruskie]

Just to reiterate the information from the index given to you by Andy (this is the information you need to put on your application):

Deaths March quarter 1838

Surname: BARNSLEY
First Name: Tom
District: Penrith
Volume: 25
Page: 108

(I see there was some confusion over the page number as it is indexed as both 100 and 108. I looked at the original and it is 108, so just order your certificate giving the above information.)

Good luck.

[Jason46]

Hi Andy and Ruskie
I received the Death Certificate today. It was for Tom Barnsley and he died 10th March Friar Street Penrith of a fever, and his father was James Barnsley, a Shoemaker. Unfortunately it is not my Tom Barnsley as he was only 10 months old when he died. Still, I will follow the advice that you have given me as next time it may be worthwhile. Would it be worthwhile chasing Anne's death Certificate?