Frederick Huckle (Legate) b 1857 Henlow

[daveroot]

Hi - I've enquired about the above before but am hoping that more records have come to light. He is known to me as Frederick Legate and according to his marriage certificate, his father was George Legate - however there is no F Legate born in Henlow then and George died in Dec 1855. His widow, Martha nee Norman, then married a Huckle (who we think was George's cousin - his Aunt Elizabeth married a Huckle) and Frederick is shown with the surname Huckle in the 1861 and I think 1871 censuses - he then becomes Frederick Legate in subsequent records (he married Hannah Hughes).

My question is whether anyone has any more information on this - is there a parish record for his birth that might provide more information?

Grateful for any help.

Dave

[Milliepede]

there's a male Legate born Sep 1858 Biggleswade which is the right district for Henlow.

[Milliepede]

Dates don't quite make sense do they.

If I have the right marriage for Martha (under Leggett) she married John Huckle in Dec 1856 so that was before Frederick was born 

Plus if his father was George and George died in 1855 that was also before he was born.

[Milliepede]

There is a birth for Frederick Huckle in Biggleswade in 1857 but a puzzle as to why he would think his father was George Legate if his mother was married to Mr Huckle at the time. 

[avm228]

The 1871 census shows a different chap - Frederick Huckle, 14 b Biggleswade - in Keighley, Yorkshire.

He may account for the Dec qtr 1857 Biggleswade registration.

[bedfordshire boy]

See the old thread at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=196800.msg986431#msg986431

You might be right avm228, but the only way to know for sure is to purchase the birth certificate. There's a 50/50 chance!

[bedfordshire boy]

Looking a bit harder at Frederick Huckle 14 b Biggleswade living in Keighley in 1871 there are three other Huckle lodgers living in the same house. Charles 20 and Sophia 19 were baptised in Biggleswade in 1850 and 1853, children of George and Martha, as was Frederick on 4 Apr 1856. Implying that unless it was a late registration the odds on the Dec 1857 birth are shortening.

The only chance of resolving this is to invest in birth certificates, which could be money wasted, but who knows.

Two IFs: if George Leggett who died in the Dec quarter 1855 and if Frederick Huckle born in the Dec quarter 1857 are both the correct people, then George couldn't have been Frederick's father. Which will make it all but impossible to find out why Frederick Huckle changed his name to Legate.

[daveroot]

Looking a bit harder at Frederick Huckle 14 b Biggleswade living in Keighley in 1871 there are three other Huckle lodgers living in the same house. Charles 20 and Sophia 19 were baptised in Biggleswade in 1850 and 1853, children of George and Martha, as was Frederick on 4 Apr 1856. Implying that unless it was a late registration the odds on the Dec 1857 birth are shortening.

The only chance of resolving this is to invest in birth certificates, which could be money wasted, but who knows.

Two IFs: if George Leggett who died in the Dec quarter 1855 and if Frederick Huckle born in the Dec quarter 1857 are both the correct people, then George couldn't have been Frederick's father. Which will make it all but impossible to find out why Frederick Huckle changed his name to Legate.

Thanks for all the replies - where does the bit in bold come from as I don't have a Charles or Sophia as children of George and Martha? Are they with anyone else then? Similarly, where did you find that date fro Frederick - if that was correct then George could be his father as he supposedly died Dec 1855?

[bedfordshire boy]

The bit in bold comes from my research. avm228 mentioned Frederick in 1871. Looking at the 1871 census schedule in Keighley, also in the same household as Frederick Huckle were Mary Ann, Charles and Sophia Huckle all born Biggleswade. I wondered if they were siblings. Their baptisms are on the IGI at www.familysearch.org.  But these are Huckles, not Legates, which you appear to be muddling. George Huckle and Martha Rook married in Biggleswade 24 Mar 1843. They are nothing to do with George Legate and Martha Norman, other than both couples lived in Biggleswade registration district, one in Biggleswade, the other in Henlow. I was just trying to demonstrate that Frederick Huckle age 14  in Keighley in 1871 probably wasn't the Frederick Huckle born in the Dec quarter 1857.  If Frederick Huckle born Dec quarter 1857 is yours (which will be proved if his mother is shown on his birth certificate as Martha Huckle formerly Norman) then George Legate who died Dec quarter 1855 couldn't have been his father, so the inference must be that his father was John Huckle.

But we can speculate until the cows come home - buy the Frederick Huckle Dec 1857 birth cert to prove it one way or another