nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901

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Duh sorry Heywood bad maths again
I.ve been saying our  Charlotte would have been 28 at time of baby trafficking too
But in fact it's 25 in early 1907

I am learning to use ancestry haven't found a birthor baptism record for Shropshire Lottie on the 1901 census her parents are born Salop Donnington
But her birthplace looks like London

There is a birth for Jessie Charlotte Sarah Bourne  Bermondsey London many 1884

Parents are George Benjamin Bourne a
And Sarah Euphemia Bourne

Mmm  mystery thickens

Can't find either of these Lottie Bourne in 1911 and can't find a marriage for her

There is a Sussex Lottie Bourne B 1886. found her marriage 1906. So at least she's eliminated

and a Milly Lotty bourne from  reigateSurry b1884

[brigidmac]

Murdered Charlotte Roberts of 1941

Not ours either...She was aged 65.  Ours would have been 60  ( maths right this time,  Heywood !)

Not a widow as first reported

But married

Her husband a chemist was alive at this date !

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I am learning to use ancestry haven't found a birthor baptism record for Shropshire Lottie on the 1901 census her parents are born Salop Donnington
But her birthplace looks like London

There is a birth for Jessie Charlotte Sarah Bourne  Bermondsey London many 1884

Parents are George Benjamin Bourne a
And Sarah Euphemia Bourne

Mmm  mystery thickens

Can't find either of these Lottie Bourne in 1911 and can't find a marriage for her

I have looked at the same with the same results. Isn't it odd.

[brigidmac]

Maybe Lottie was actually a  brothers child so search for  her marriage with father George and or Benjamin

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STILL LOOKING FOR OUR CHARLOTTE ( LOTTIE )ROBERTS IN 1901 and 1911

We can probably  eliminate the actress Lottie Percy B Birkenhead 1881 too
 
I.m enjoying learning to search on ancestry ;

Census 1891 liverpool
There is a Lottie Pierce  b.lancs aged 8
 Neice of james Gould and his wife Alice.

Marriage 1906 age 25 I Surrey
Father Alfred John Pearce

Or marriage 26 July 1899 of CHARLOTTE ELIZABERTH PEARCE  to Ole Bertunes Johanen
Father Joseph Pierce

in 1901 Lottie Pierce could be married but using her maiden name or her stage name

[brigidmac]

I.m going to go on premise that battered Charlotte was ours ....Either way will get rid of the flat iron .....Not having lethal weapons I my house !

+ Instead of telling people ironing is against my religion I can truthfully now say that I have an ironing phobia

My best friend.s toddler pulled an iron by cord and I fell on her lg 16 years ago

My Lovely French Ex taught me how to recognise crease free material

In Algeria we just drip dried clothes

I Senegale /Congo friends dry washing on bushes

+ My sis lays her shirts for smart wear under the mattress once dry ...Is pressed over night

3 generations of our husbands were sailors and they learn to iron with military precision
So myself .Mum and paternal gma let them do it

Noone would let maternal downgrading as dangerous as iron or cook as like me she got easily distracted


Eggs explode I paid I water boils dry .....!   

I

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 "The female prisoner good-looking woman, and her real name is said to be Lottie Bourne. She had given the professional name of Jess Baker" alias Jessie Baker also Mrs Isdale, Mrs Hughes,  Lottie Smith, Lottie Roberts

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4176809/4176812/63/

Photograph of Leo Selwyn and Lottie Roberts
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3443881/3443888/167/

I see you've been in all the papers

sounds like them in this paper too https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19070615.2.118

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Thanks so.much whiteout each articlear gives a dlifter enter dimension.

That first one is the only one that gives Bourne as her real.name th

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On fri .I will be holding my 4th time travel detectives event .About 1899 how we identified who my nanas birth father was and how child maintenance  payments were obtained from him

On Feb 3rd the story will be about Lottie Roberts.  the disappearing birth mother
Including
The controversial story of the placement of babies and whether or not the lady in the newspapers is Lottie Roberts or Lottie Bourne !

The local DWP dept working and pensions have commissioned me  to run 2 workshops   

 someone in the Child Maintenance Services understands the importance of

Historic cases from 100 years ago :
proving paternity  .Obtaining payments .Single mothers and placement of children

It is a fun event so it will be in the form of interactive story telling  alongside some laughter for well being sessions over two days in May

I wonder if I will have found more answers by then
The baby placements can mostly only be solved by DNA ....thats a whole other type of detective work .