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SMYTH or SMYTHE family and ESCOTT family, England
« on: Tuesday 16 December 14 03:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I'm looking for information on the Smyth / Smythe family in England, specifically Victor.   He married my great aunt Grace Escott in 1926.  He was a well known horse trainer prior to 1960.  I think he had a son Paul Caithness Smyth but I don't have any details for him.  I would appreciate any help in tracing living relatives.  I'm also trying to find information the Escott family.  They were also involved with racing/ training horses.  :D

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Re: SMYTH OR SMYTHE FAMILY AND ESCOTT FAMILY, ENGLAND
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 03:43 GMT (UK) »
  I can see that Grace Married Victor H Smyth in 1926 ... registered at Steyning,Sussex. We are not allowed to post details of living people on the forum....so you would need to correspond by private message re any details of living descendants.
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: SMYTH OR SMYTHE FAMILY AND ESCOTT FAMILY, ENGLAND
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 03:45 GMT (UK) »
I have sent you a pm  ;)
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: SMYTH OR SMYTHE FAMILY AND ESCOTT FAMILY, ENGLAND
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 03:56 GMT (UK) »
Graces father was Harry Escott,,,a well known horse trainer...lots of references to him on google.  Are you looking to also trace the family back ?
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: SMYTH OR SMYTHE FAMILY AND ESCOTT FAMILY, ENGLAND
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 04:54 GMT (UK) »
I think Harry's father was Richard and there is a hint that he went AWOL from the Marine and this is possibly why birth certificates can't be found for Harry and his sister Ellen.  Ellen emigrated to Vancouver, Canada.  Richard Escort was a gunner at Portsmouth and was married to Sarah Gill.  Harry Cecil Escort (Harry's son) had a son as well called Harry Hector Pettit Escott but I think he was born in South Africa as there is a baptism certificate that I found online (Cape Town I think).

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Re: SMYTH OR SMYTHE FAMILY AND ESCOTT FAMILY, ENGLAND
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if you already have these details-

Nellie May Amey (daughter of Ellen Escott & Albert Andrews) d.1973
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLBN-6MG
Nellie's marriage
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDZ1-J6K

Her brother Harry Richard Escott Andrews d.1981
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL15-SG5

Their sister Mabel's marriage
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD8J-4S3
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Marriage of Grace Escott (groom Victor H. J. Smyth)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVZT-JXXS
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Re: SMYTH OR SMYTHE FAMILY AND ESCOTT FAMILY, ENGLAND
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 08:38 GMT (UK) »
I only have the marriage between Victor and Grace.  Thanks for the extra information.  Much appreciated  :)

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Re: SMYTH OR SMYTHE FAMILY AND ESCOTT FAMILY, ENGLAND
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 08:43 GMT (UK) »
Harry Cecil Escott married in Durban South Africa in 1912
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDCP-B1P

Son Harry baptised 1918 Cape of Good Hope (this may be the record you'd seen?)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS4-5G3B

Harry Cecil Escott in 1911 census in England (must have gone to South Africa shortly after)- birthplace given as Lewes, Sussex (c1885)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BR-ZL2

Harry in 1901 census (same birthplace and approx. birth year given)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSJ6-9XS

1891 also matches https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:48J1-6T2

Based on all of the above this is likely Harry's birth registration
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XGK-F14
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Re: SMYTH OR SMYTHE FAMILY AND ESCOTT FAMILY, ENGLAND
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 08:52 GMT (UK) »
Harry Escott married 1884 Annie Pettiy [Pettit]
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DVR-9Z3

Census records show birthplace as Blandford, Dorset (c1859). Harry died 23 Mar.1948 and residence as 39 Walsingham Rd., Hove, Sussex.

There are LOTS of family trees online (although any information found in them would need to be verified as online trees can be notorious for errors)
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