did francis abandon his children

[MonicaL]

Have you actually viewed the birth cert for William Whitecross' birth c. 1882? If it had been registered with both surnames of Carnegie and Whitecross, William Carnegie would have had to have gone to the Registrar's office to confirm he accepted paternity.

Thinking back from what you said in one of the posts, it may be that it was William b.1882's marriage cert where the various names jumped in! McGuire/Carnegie/Whitecross etc.

You g grandfather was James born 1871 in the Bromley area? So, as you say, he was Isabella b. 1863's brother.

What a jumble of a family tree you have had to sort out!

Monica

[gratuation]

Hi Monica

The birth entry has William born 1882 down as William Carnegie Whitecross but the father has been left off he was illegimate .

The marraige entry for William has his mother Isabella and fathers name William Carnegie I suppose as time went on he decided to be known as his father . The mothers maiden names were Maguire her married name , Carnegie but I don't think they were married , and her maiden name Whitecross
 Sorry I meant to say Isabella was James Whitecross daughter

Thanks again
G 

[MonicaL]

Don't worry, we understand what you mean  A jumble of names.

William Carnegie Whitecross, illegitimate. I am going to guess was named after the kind Uncle William with wife Helen Whitecross who took in Isabella in back in Scotland. Nellie/Helen born later maybe also named after Isabella's aunt Helen. Could well have been name 'in memory and gratitude of' rather than anything else. Isabella would have been just 19 or so when son William was born, illegitimate. Sadly though...we don't really know much more.

In the bigger picture, sounds like you understand the grey lines of this all and have made great headway along the way. For your Xmas past, I would wish you an hour with Francis so that he could explain his life to you 

Monica

[KitCarson]

I've been watching this thread out of interest.  I hope Gratuation gets to unravel all of this.

Monica - what a lovely thought.  I hope that you could also get that 1 hour with someone from your past, as you are always so helpful to others.

Kit

[MonicaL]

Thank you Kit  I have so many choices of who I would choose for my hour, you must do too! Stuck in Ireland, stuck in the Highlands and stuck in Spain...sigh! That would make a good topic on the 'Lighter Side' here on RC maybe!

There is stuck (like me) and there are also those special people, who give us so much trouble to figure out, like Francis here on this thread....

Monica

[gratuation]

Now that would be good Monica ! I have a list of questions as long as my arm !!

Thank you for taking an interest in very grateful for all
Your help and the wish !

Happy new year 

[jennywren001]

Gratuation you would expect to find Helen Whitecross and William Carnegie together on the 1871 census as they got married in 1866. However, Helen's at home with her mum while I think William is in the Dundee nick! What an interesting family 
Jen