Phoebe Penney

[Vabre]

I have Phoebe Penney/Spooner in my line not sure which one is correct, born 1792 in Little Hale Hertfordshire. What I am trying to find out was Phoebe a base child?

Many thanks,

Pam...Sydney

[Lady Di]

Could you give any other detail about where you've found Phoebe and any other information you have about her parents or descendants.

I'm having trouble finding her in the place specified.

The only Little Hale I can find is in Lincolnshire and the closest christening record in Herts that is somewhat similar name is :
Phoebe PONEY Bp 27 Nov 1791 Dau of Thos & Elizth - at Ayot St Lawrence

Not much help really 

Maybe I've missed something somewhere 

[Lady Di]

OK - Due to lack of information supplied I'm doing a bit of assuming here ...

1851 census Daniel TIMMS (a Blacksmith) and his wife Phoebe were living in Leighton Buzzard Bedfordshire.

Phoebe is listed as age 55 (therefore born abt 1796)

Daniel TIMS & Phoebe PENNEY married 20 Feb 1817 Leighton Buzzard
Therefore if Phoebe was born 1796, she was 21 at marriage in 1817.

Census says she was born Little Hayet (or similar) Herts

1861 census says she was born Heyet (or similar) Herts

My suggestion is that Ayot is the closest like-sounding place name to the "Hayet" noted on the census.

Maybe a look at their actual marriage might tell you if Phoebe was a widow although she would be rather young at 21 to be a widow but it's possible.

As I said - all conjecture really ....

[Vabre]

Lady Di,

Many thanks for your reply.

The information you so kindly sent me is the same that I have, there are many variations of the name.
Purchasing the marriage certificate could be the answer to my query.

Pam

[Lady Di]

Unfortunately Marriage Certificates are not available for marriages prior to 1837.

I haven't found/seen any connection with the Spooner name - where did that suggestion originate?

Your best option is to see the actual parish register for Leighton Buzzard Marriages. The record might give her status at time of marriage (spinster or widow). Also witness names may be helpful as well.

Maybe try asking on the Bedford. board if anyone has access to the actual parish registers.
Please ensure that you add a link to this thread to assist anyone who may be able to help.

Good luck in your search

[[Ray]]

Hi

There is a tree (Ancrustry) maintaining that the surname is "POWNEY (Penny)"
Her parents being Thomas & Elizabeth (Martin). Married in Harlington, Beds.

Ray

[Vabre]

Many thanks to Lady Di and Ray, I will continue looking and hopefully find some answers.

Pam