David Welch/Wealch, Llandyfaelog, Carmarthenshire

[Meringue]

Hi Rosie,

I think they are the same census records, but the transcript I managed to get hold of didn't give the places of birth for the 1851 census and this can't be the correct family.

However, I know Mary Ann Propert was Thomas' mother (from his death record), and there's a marriage for Mary Anne to Benjamin David/Davies (can't recall which right now) on 28.1.1825 in Dinas.

I'll have to go back to the drawing board and search the census records again, then try and get a more detailed transcript of any that look likely that shows where family members were born.

Thanks again

[rosie99]

Benjamin's surname was David when he married and his occupation was a Carpenter.  The 1851 Benjamin on my post was also a Carpenter. 

[Meringue]

Thanks, rosie99.  I'll have to put this off for a few days now, but I'd be very grateful of any help you can offer when I get back to this later this week/next week.  I'll have a dig around a few sites that I know and see if I can sort out who is who/where/when hahaha.  Kind regards

[rosie99]

Just post back on this thread when you are ready 

[Meringue]

Hi Rosie99

I think I am going slightly nutty.  I know my research up to Thomas Davies, the master mariner, is correct.  His death certificate clearly states that he was born in DINAS, son of Benjamin Davies and Mary Anne (or Marieanne - it's in French) Proppert; husband to Ann Griffiths - married at Newport about 1852 (the actual date was 27.1.1852).  So that's quite a lot of very specific information.  I also know that Thomas and Ann/e Griffiths' children were born in Newport, Pembrokeshire.  I've also found a record for the marriage of Mary Ann Propert to Benjamin David on 28.1.1825 in Dinas, Pembrokeshire.  Beyond that, it all seems to come unstuck.

I have a working table for the family, and on that I have two different possible birth/baptisms for Benjamin.  One is b.ca.1802 in Dinas, Kemess (or Cemais to be more precise), Pembrokeshire .  The other is bap.26.6.1803 in Saint Issell's, Pembrokeshire.  So, the first is on the northern coast, the second is on the southern coast.  It's always feasible for someone to be born in one place, then baptised in another (sometimes several years later in the case of some of my ancestors!) - where the family of one of the parents originated and the grandparents live, for example - which made the link to David Welch and Rachel Merriman in St Issell's as Benjamin's parents.

However, when I saw the birth place of Maenclochog for Benjamin on the 1851 census records you showed me the other day, it appears that neither of the birth/baptism records I've found for him are correct and I need to look for completely different parents for Benjamin. I haven't been able to turn anything up yet.  I haven't found any other census entries for a family with parents Benjamin and Mary and/or Ann with a son Thomas the right age to be my G-G-Grandfather, so I'm pretty sure this is the right census family (famous last words!).  I think the search route I need to follow now is Benjamin David b.Maenclochog.

Many thanks to everyone for all your help 

[rosie99]

In case the 1851 Benjamin is yours

1861  Cardiff
RG9/4031 f68 p21

Benjamin Davies 59 occ Carpenter bn Maencloy, Pembrokeshire
Mary Davies 58 bn Fishguard
Charlotte Cordon 23 (Lodger) bn Dinas
Joseph Davies 21 bn Dinas occ Carpenter
Daniel Davies 14 bn Dinas
James Cordon 2 (Lodgers son) bn Cardiff

Could Maencloy be another interpretation of Maenclochog

Really we need a birth certificate for one of these children to prove their mothers maiden name. The only way would be to order a certificate from the GRO specifying mothers maiden name, they will search for this over a short period

[Meringue]

Thanks so much, Rosie99.  I'll let you know what I find  .

[hanes teulu]

This could be the family in 1841?

Census Ref HO107  1446  11  15
Registration District = Cardigan

Benjn David, 39, Carpenter
Mary David, 39,
Thos 11, Ann 8, Charlotte 5, Joseph 3

Address Vron, Dinas, all born County (Pembrokeshire)

NOTE - just spotted that details of '41 Census already known - pl ignore above!!




 

[hanes teulu]

Can't see a Joseph David, Cardigan that would "fit" the 3 yr old in '41 but there is a

FreeBMD
Joseph Davies, Sept Qtr 1838, Cardigan, 27 45