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Records Lost During WW2. Also - First Cousins Marrying.
« on: Wednesday 18 February 15 07:16 GMT (UK) »
Not quite sure where to ask these questions but will try here..........

Are some of the London and Middlesex Parish Records missing because of the WW2 bombing, fires etc? I realise the B.T.'s are there for some of England's Parish Records but would be interested to know if there is a total gap in some of the above areas.

Why did the Established Church in England allow First Cousins to marry? ( I have some in my families doing just that.) Were other second, third etc. cousins allowed to marry? I believe that in-breeding was the problem but that it does that not affect First Cousins.

I would really appreciate someone putting me right on all this as I have been asked this by a another researcher and what I took for granted now seems to need a correct explanation!

Grateful for anyone's help.

Faith

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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 09:06 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the relevant page on London Metropolitan Archives
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/visiting-the-city/archives-and-city-history/london-metropolitan-archives/family-history/Pages/default.aspx

and downloading Information Leaflet No 1, it says:

Also due to reasons such as bombing during WW2 and other events outside our control, some parishes do not have a complete set of records.


PR's up to 1920 are usually available on Ancestry.
Anything after that will be on microfilm, and can be viewed at LMA.


There are many threads on RoootsChat regarding cousins marrying.
A Wikipedia article states:
England maintained a small proportion of cousin marriages for centuries, with proportions in 1875 estimated by George Darwin at 3.5 percent for the middle classes and 4.5 percent for the nobility, though this had declined to under 1 percent in the 20th century. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were a preeminent example.

King Henry VIII declared cousin marriage to be legal.
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 19 February 15 08:34 GMT (UK) »
Thank you KGarrad, I'll follow all that through. Faith.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 19 February 15 15:46 GMT (UK) »
My grandparents were first cousins,they loved each other,it certainly wasn't a case of inbreeding.
They were the children of 2 brothers,in fact the 2 nearest to each other in age ,from a large family.

My dad (their son) and I are both perfectly normal  ;)

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« Reply #4 on: Friday 20 February 15 06:27 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Carol18353

I've been into Wikipedia etc on Google and there I found some interesting results. North America has a lot of States ( good map identifies them) which ban first cousins marrying etc but other countries are more lenient. Once again, inherited medical defects seem to be the problem but it does not seem a big issue.
It seems that women over 40 yrs. tend to be more at risk having a baby with a minor medical problem.

So thank you for your time and message. I appreciate it. Faith.

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Re: Records Lost During WW2. Also - First Cousins Marrying.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 20 February 15 07:54 GMT (UK) »
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Why did the Established Church in England allow First Cousins to marry? ( I have some in my families doing just that.) Were other second, third etc. cousins allowed to marry? I believe that in-breeding was the problem but that it does that not affect First Cousins.

I would really appreciate someone putting me right on all this as I have been asked this by a another researcher and what I took for granted now seems to need a correct explanation!

Grateful for anyone's help.

Faith

Why should the Church ban First Cousin marriages there is no genetic reason to ban such marriages. Most countries of the world allow first cousin marriages some Middle Eastern countries, have exceedingly high rates of marriage to first cousins.

Yes it could be argued that the incidence of birth defects doubles in First Cousin marriages but that figure is still tiny. In non related marriages the incidence of birth defects is about 2 percent in First Cousin marriages the incidence is around 4 percent i.e it has gone from 2 birth defects per hundred births to 4 birth defects per hundred births.
There is a significantly higher risk of serious  birth defects in babies whose mother smokes during pregnancy than from first cousin marriages.

It should also be borne in mind that benefits can be produced by inbreeding in the same way as defects can.

Regarding the CoE specifically, Henry VIII the monarch who separated the CoE from the Catholic religion decreed that cousin marriages were legal.

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 20 February 15 08:19 GMT (UK) »
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It should also be borne in mind that benefits can be produced by inbreeding in the same way as defects can.

Regarding the CoE specifically, Henry VIII the monarch who separated the CoE from the Catholic religion decreed that cousin marriages were legal.

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God Bless Henry VIII .......... I am the son of a first cousin marriage and at 87 there's nothing strange about me .......... I think. :o :o
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 20 February 15 09:01 GMT (UK) »
God Bless Henry VIII .......... I am the son of a first cousin marriage and at 87 there's nothing strange about me .......... I think. :o :o
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Agh, so Joe, you are a Spring Chicken .... I have elderly rellies who are first cousins and are married to each other. There's nought strange about their children, or their children's children or the several later generations either.   He was born 1910 and she was born 1915.    Of course, like Joe, they live in Australia  ;D so I think it must be in the water !  ;D  ;D  ;D.   

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 20 February 15 09:11 GMT (UK) »
My grandparents and dad lived in London- the water there was hardly anything to write home about and as I said before,we're all fine..........it's the rest of em  8)
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