John Bruce & Hannah Vickers Melford Suffolk

[hotrodpansy]

Hi,

I have found a marriage on Ancestry (England Select Marriages) for John Bruce and Hannah Vickers on the 7 July 1788 at Melford.  It is just an index and no image.

I wondered if someone could take a look for me, I am hoping it might reveal more details, ie single or widowed, witnesses etc, perhaps middle names or surname spelt differently.

And to see if there are any births for them around that date.

Thank you

[pjm99]

Hi hotrodpansy,

The Suffolk Marriage Index has this entry:
BRUCE John wdr VICKERS Hannah wd 7 Jul 1788 Long Melford

So both widowed.
HTH
Peter

[hotrodpansy]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the quick reply.  Did it lists any witnesses? and also were there any births listed around that date?.  Hope its not too much trouble to look.

Thank you

[pjm99]

Hi,
No witnesses listed I'm afraid.

Also no baptisms at Long Melford, but that may not be where they were living. Also with being widowed we don't know if Hannah was of child bearing age. Are you looking for something in particular?

Most of the Bruce baptisms around this time seem to be in Hampshire, particularly Southampton.

Peter

[hotrodpansy]

Hi Peter,

I am trying to establish who the John Bruce is?.  I am looking for a John Bruce ag lab Hintlesham born around 1760ish, who marries a Hannah.  Somebody looked for me and found a John Bruce marries a Hannah Rush in 1785 which fits well, they have a son called William Rush Bruce, who I have found, and also there is a brother called John Bruce (from williams will) all based around Suffolk.

The reason why I picked up on this marriage is that the vickers name seems to appear several times in this family.  Firstly, Williams son William, who emigrated to Australia, named one of his sons, Charles Vickers Bruce and also in Williams will, he names his niece Mary Ann Vickers, the daughter of his deceased brother John Bruce. (apparently Mary Ann marries an Edward Vickers).

My problem is that I cannot find the birth record of William Rush Bruce, 1788 Hintlesham or his brother John Bruce?

I am thinking that there is a slim chance that Hannah Rush, is the mother of both John & William and then she dies, and then he remarries another Hannah Vickers and perhaps because she brought them up, they refer to her as their mother, and choose to add her maiden name into their line?  That seems abit sad, as I would of thought that the name Rush would be their preferred choice?

Look forward to your comments   regards Jenny

[ribbo39]

Hi Jenny,
My problem is that I cannot find the birth record of William Rush Bruce, 1788 Hintlesham or his brother John Bruce?


In Hintlesham St Nicholas transcripts there are these;
Marriage;
24-10-1785 John Bruce - Hannah Rush - nothing further shown.
Baptisms
1-10-1786 John Bruce             s/o John & Hannah (born 19 Mar, pb 22 Mar,  Late Rush)
25-5-1788 William Rush Bruce s/o     "           "      ("      5 Aug 1787,             "      "   )

Burial;
Hintlesham;
Possibles only
7-8-1842 Hannah Bruce, abode Ipswich St,Matthew, Aged 87, buried Hintlesham
4-6-1837 John Bruce           "    Hintlesham,                "    81,     "           "

Alan

[hotrodpansy]

Thanks Ribbo39,  Your info confirms my Williams details and nice to have Johns birth details aswell.

Can you see who John marries? say 20yrs on from these dates?  I know that he has a daughter called Mary Ann Bruce who marries a Edward Vickers an Engineer, I have found Mary Ann but cannot see who her father marries?

Thank you

[ribbo39]

Hi Jenny,
The only two John Bruce marriages I can see are thes;
19-1-1802 John Bruce - Christian Eadie   Wickham Market
1-1-1807     "        "       - Ann Paine           Wherstead

Not sure if these are relevant as my CD only goes up to 1812

There is also a Mary Anne Bruce bapt. 1-9-1811 d/o John & Mary (born 15 Aug) Late Paine -  Tattingstone St.Mary

Alan

[hotrodpansy]

Hi Alan,

Thanks for all your help so far.  The marriage in 1807 to Ann Paine would be an excellent fit as it appears that their daughter Mary Anne is baptised in 1811.  I checked Tattinstone st mary and it is recorded that in the mid 1700's onward that women went there to have their babies.

I would like to say that this my family, however,

William Rush Bruce left a will and it clearly says that he has a brother John Bruce who is deceased and his daughter Mary Ann Bruce who is now the wife of Edward Vickers engineer.

I could only find 1 Mary Ann Vickers nee Bruce married to Edward Vickers Engineer......but the baptism record shows 1813 St Lukes Old St Finsbury London parents John Bruce & Mary...I have followed her life through the census until 1899 when she dies.

I am convinced that I have the right Mary Ann but I cannot connect her parents John & Mary with John & Mary late Paine??  Could there be a chance that perhaps the first Mary Ann died and then they had another Mary Ann and moved area aswell?

Sorry it is turning into abit of a saga!.....Just keep hitting a brick wall when trying to gather in all the facts and make them fit properly

Thanks regards Jenny