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HAVILAND or HAVELAND of Dollar
« on: Sunday 08 March 15 01:34 GMT (UK) »
Looking for information about this family, starting with Frederick Augustus HAVILAND (b.abt.1822, Lanarkshire) who married Margaret Nightingale, 1844 Liverpool. All their children b in Dollar. One of their sons is called GEORGE WOODNORTH HAVILAND, and I am wondering how the name Woodnorth got into the family.  The Woodnorths were a Shropshire/Cheshire family.  There is a rather obscure connection in that George was a lithographer, & partner in the firm of Aitken & Farie in Glasgow, & in South Shields, Durham, a John WOODNOT(H) =m= Mary Farie in 1692: they had a son, Farie Woodnot/noth, 1692.  Nothing more known.
   Can anybody help?   Nowecious.

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Re: HAVILAND or HAVELAND of Dollar
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 08 March 15 11:31 GMT (UK) »
According to the census returns after 1851 Frederick & Margaret were both born in England. By 1861 there are 2 children born in Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire and 4 in Dollar, Clackmannanshire. Frederick is an Officer Of Inland Revenue Excise Branch. By 1891 Frederick is a widower, living with son George a Stationer in Lanarkshire.

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Re: HAVILAND or HAVELAND of Dollar
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 08 March 15 15:14 GMT (UK) »
On the 1861 census there is a Robena Woodworth transcription error maybe  born 1845 Liverpool his niece with the family     There is a Robena Carr Woodnorth born 1845 Liverpool on her marriage she lists her father as George Woodnorth ...Mariner

George Woodnorth married a Jane Nightingale 1841 City of London so maybe a sister of Margaret

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Re: HAVILAND or HAVELAND of Dollar
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 March 15 15:40 GMT (UK) »
The marriage for Frederick Augustus Haviland 30 July 1844 St Bride Liverpool
Frederick occupation excise officer address Prince Henry Street his father William Henry Haviland occupation Merchant
Spouse Margaret Nightingale address Mount Pleasant her father Joseph Nightingale occupation window blind manufacturer ...married in the presence of George Woodnorth Jane Woodnorth

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Re: HAVILAND or HAVELAND of Dollar
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 March 15 15:53 GMT (UK) »
A tree has his parents as William Henry Haviland and Suzanna Roberts ....The only marriage that I could see relating to this couple is
William Henry Haviland married 15 May 1817 ..Parish Malmesbury says his residence is out of Wiltshire
Spouse Susannah Roberts she is of this parish
Document type Licence ...William is of Cirencester Glos

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Re: HAVILAND or HAVELAND of Dollar
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 March 15 16:08 GMT (UK) »
Baptism Record 7 October 1821 parish Cirencester Gloucestershire
Frederic Augustus son of William Henry /Susanna Haviland born 27 July 1821
Father occupation Distiller

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Re: HAVILAND or HAVELAND of Dollar
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 March 15 16:16 GMT (UK) »
This is the probate record for George Woodnorth Haviland of 286 Byres Road Glasgow died 1st February 1933 confirmation of Margaret Steel Hall or Haviland widow . Sealed London 2 May

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Re: HAVILAND or HAVELAND of Dollar
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 March 15 16:24 GMT (UK) »
1901 Census for George W Haviland age 47 b Dollar occupation Stationary Traveller
Spouse Elspie T Haviland age 45 b Perthshire occupation Draper
Address 43, Caird Drive Partick Govan Lanarkshire
So looks like Margaret Steel Hall was his second wife

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Re: HAVILAND or HAVELAND of Dollar
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 March 15 23:58 GMT (UK) »
Thank you to all who replied to my query.  So Fred'k was not a true blue Scot after all. :-[
Briefly:.......Susanna Robina (née Carr) Nightingale was the 2nd wife of Peter WOODNORTH (b.Cheshire), of Whitehaven Pottery, Cumberland.  He sold out of the pottery & moved to Liverpool & took over her trunk & Venetian Blind business when they married.  Peter's son George (1st Mate on a ship) & Susanna's dtr Jane got married in London (maybe they eloped??) and had dtr Robina Carr Woodnorth, who marr Samuel KELLY (Liverpool Irish?). George came ashore & managed a branch of the family business in L'pool. In 1851 George & Jane are on their own: In 1861, Jane(16) is up in Logie, Perthshire, with the Haviland family, and George W Haviland(15) is down in Liverpool listed as a 'grandson' of Susanna, along with 2 of Peter's grandsons.
  Re the will - I wondered if it was George W's sister Margaret who was the beneficiary. Steel(e) & Hall were names of neighbours of the family in Cheshire, and also involved in the evangelical religious movements of the time. Margaret could have married & been widowed & remarried.... but I am not going to wade into all that line!
Thanks again for all the replies.
Nowecious.

Correction : it was young Robina up in Scotland (not Jane) in 1861.   Sorry.