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Re: Thomas Kennedy, Henry Street, Birmingham 1927
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 March 15 18:06 GMT (UK) »
If you look at the 1911 Irish census, there is a Thomas Kennedy living in Lucknow Streeet, Falls, Antrim, age 12, born Belfast, with Father James, a general labourer.
Some of the children were born in England.
There is quite a bit of crossing-out, so leave you to have a look at it.
The family is Roman Catholic.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001504862/

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Re: Thomas Kennedy, Henry Street, Birmingham 1927
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 March 15 18:11 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure what religion they were, sorry. On the marriage certificate it did not state that his father was deceased and the witnesses were William Welch and Gladys Lawley.

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Re: Thomas Kennedy, Henry Street, Birmingham 1927
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 20:42 GMT (UK) »
Just adding this census for that Irish family:
1891
Civil Parish:   Camberwell   Ecclesiastical parish:   St Marks
Town:   Peckham   County/Island:   London
Registration district:   Camberwell  Sub registration district:   Peckham
James Kennedy   30   Wisbech, Cambridgeshire,  tram conductor
Mary Kennedy   29   Newry Co Down,
Helen Kennedy   7  Paisley Scotland
James Kennedy   5 Peckham
Henry Kennedy   4  Peckham
William J Kennedy   1   Peckham

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Re: Thomas Kennedy, Henry Street, Birmingham 1927
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 25 March 15 02:16 GMT (UK) »
There is a death for a Thomas Kennedy registered in Coventry in 1974.
This death  index gives his birth date as 30 July 1898.
If not already done so I would obtain the death certificate.

Your next step is to search the Coventry newspaper obituaries.
 This may give more details of his death such as -
Husband of Gladys, father of the three named children and possibly brother of …….
That would give you another lead.

It appears that his widow Gladys Ivy Kennedy nee Welch remarried in 1978 to John Dalton.

Have you considered tracing and contacting living descendants of Thomas Kennedy?
They may have information you are unaware of.

It is also possible that Thomas may have been in WW1.
Service records usually give next of kin.
As he did not marry until 1927, then his parents would have been his next of kin.
So this is another avenue you can explore.

From your post and queries on another site you mention that Thomas married in  Birmingham  25  January  1927 and that he was 27 years old.
So he would be celebrating his 28  Birthday in July of the same year, giving an estimated birth year of 1899.

Birth Index’s
Parents had six weeks to register a birth
If Thomas was born in July 1898 or July 1899 then search the Birth indexes for the September and December Quarter of both years.

You can also look for  christening records.
You can rule  this person  out.
Thomas Kennedy born Liverpool
Born.28 January 1898-
chr.  -9 March 1898
His  parents are James & Jane Kennedy.

The surname Kennedy is a predominantly Irish and Scottish name.
The names of Thomas’s three children are popular with Irish naming  traditions.
He may well have been born in Ireland so a search of Passenger ships is worth while.

I believe you have been given a list of all  of census records ( England and Scotland )
of a Thomas Kennedy who has a  father James.
You now need to narrow this down by researching each one them, and then eliminating them from your search .
You have a birth date to go on.
(although a birth date on a death certificate is only as good as its informant and errors can occur )


Census 1901

Father James Kennedy is a Stone Paver – this is the closest match of occupations of an asphalter  in 1927.

James Kennedy Head Married Male  age 30
b1871 Born Ireland Tipperary
Occ:  Stone Paviors Labourer 

Annie Kennedy Wife Married Female 26
 b 1875-Wigan, Lancashire, England

Elizzie Kennedy Daughter Single Female 3
b,1898-Wigan, Lancashire, England

Thomas Kennedy Son Single Male 2
b.1899-Wigan, Lancashire, England

James Kennedy Son Single Male 0 b.1901-Wigan, Lancashire, England1901 Address: Tippings Mill Yard, Wigan, Lancashire, England

Source- 1901 Census Rg13:: Piece N0: 3555:: Folio:100:; Page 44:

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Or location wise Bilston and Wolverhampton are near to Birmingham
Occupations can change over the years.

James Kennedy Head Married Male age 42-
b .1859 Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Occ: Boiler Maker

Mary Ann Kennedy -Wife Married Female age 37  -
 b1864 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Eliza Kennedy -Daughter Single Female age 15
 b. 1886 Occ: Domestic Servant
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

William Kennedy Son male 13
 b1888 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Doris Kennedy Daughter Female 5-
 b. 1896 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Thomas Kennedy Son Male 3
b. 1898 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

George Kennedy Son Male 0
b. 1901 Bilston.

1901 Address: 2, Ettingshall Lane, Bilston, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Source - 1901 Census: RG 13: Piece2691; Folio:109: Page 39

And then there are the Lancashire and Scottish Census matches I believe you have been given  where there are a number of Thomas’s with a father James.

If posting on more than one website it is wise to list the details of exactly what you do have or have been given.
This will help those who are trying to help you, so that they can evaluate the evidence themselves and not waste time going over old ground.

In order to find out who your family is, you also  have to prove who is not.
Not always easy, but worth it if it brings results.


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Re: Thomas Kennedy, Henry Street, Birmingham 1927
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 25 March 15 05:28 GMT (UK) »
Wow! Thank you for your very detailed reply. It was so kind of you to find out so much information for me. Do you have any online links for the searches you discussed, ie the newspaper records? Or I will try googling it. From information my Dad gave me last night it seems likely that the death in 1974 is him, so come pay day I will be sending off for his death certificate to try to gain further information.
Thank you again for all your help.

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Re: Thomas Kennedy, Henry Street, Birmingham 1927
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 25 March 15 06:47 GMT (UK) »
The 'Irish' family in 1901, where James is a pavior, which fits with that marriage certificate:

Townland/Street:   Belgrave Street
District:   Court Ward  County:   Antrim
xxxxJames Kennedy   41  pavior England
Mary Kennedy   38  Armagh
Helen Kennedy   17  Scotland
James Kennedy   15  England
Henery Kennedy   13  England
William Kennedy   10  England
Mary Kennedy   8   England
Rose Kennedy      5  Belfast
xxxxThomas Kennedy   2   Belfast
Edward Kennedy     3 months Belfast

I was working with the information that you have given on this site, which is just what was posted on this thread, so do not know what else you have been given elsewhere.
Could you give a link if there is any extra useful information elsewhere (though you stated the marriage , his probable death, intention to get death certificate and her re-marriage on this thread, so no link needed there)?

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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000319915/

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Re: Thomas Kennedy, Henry Street, Birmingham 1927
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 25 March 15 06:54 GMT (UK) »
Just if needed later, James (possible father of Thomas)

1861
Civil Parish:   Wisbech  Town:   Wisbech  County/Island:   Cambridgeshire
Registration district:   Wisbech  Sub-registration district:   Wisbech
John Kennedy   29   Kilkenny no occ (?)
Allin Kennedy   26   Cork
William Kennedy   4   Surrey
Allin Kennedy   2  Surrey
xxxx James Kennedy   10/12   Wisbech

and also this, but not showing as born Wisbech, but Bermondsey, Surrey for James
1871
Civil Parish:   St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey  Ecclesiastical parish:   St Paul  County/Island:   London
Registration district:   St Olave Southwark  Sub-registration district:   Leather Market
John Kennedy   40  Ireland  gas fitter
Ellen Kennedy   34 Ireland
William Kennedy   14
xxxJames Kennedy   10
Ellen Kennedy   12
Thomas Kennedy   5
Elizabeth Kennedy   2
Anna Kennedy   1 Month

 

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Re: Thomas Kennedy, Henry Street, Birmingham 1927
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 26 March 15 19:11 GMT (UK) »
Rhubarb77

Quote – Once you have obtained the death certificate your  next step is to search the Coventry newspaper obituaries.  This may give more details of his death such as -  Husband of Gladys, father of the three named children and possibly brother of …….
That would give you another lead.

It is unlikely that the newspapers for Coventry for that year will be online. You will need to contact Coventry Archives and ask if they have Coventry Newspapers for that year on Mircofiche , also ask if you need to book an appointment or if you can just turn up. If Coventry do not have these then Warwick Archives may have these newspapers on Mircofiche.

To Obtain Death certificate
Coventry Register Office,
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Manor House Drive,
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CV1 2ND
Telephone: 024 7683 3141
e-mail: registeroffice@coventry.gov.uk
web-site: http://www.coventry.gov.uk/info/321/death-registering/507/register_office


For Newspapers
 Coventry  History Centre,
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Jordan Well,
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e-mail: coventryarchives@discover.co.uk
web-site: www.theherbert.org/collections/archives/index.htm
catalogue search: www.coventrycollections.org

Or Try

Warwick County Record Office,
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Telephone: 01926 738959
e-mail:  recordoffice@warwickshire.gov.uk
web-site: www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice

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Re: Thomas Kennedy, Henry Street, Birmingham 1927
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 26 March 15 19:33 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for finding out all this information for me. I greatly appreciate it.