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Cant find a birth for EMMA KING born Brentford Middlesex!
« on: Tuesday 31 March 15 13:33 BST (UK) »
Hi, Ive been researching for a long time.. And this one has me stumped!..
My Ancestor has a fairly common name, which is making it harder..
Every mention i have of her she states her name as EMMA KING , And states she was born in Brentford, Middlesex.  The family Moved to Chatham in Kent, and this is the first record i have of her in 1871.. I have no baptism either.
On Census here are her ages.
1871 - 10yrs old
1881 - 20yrs
1891 - 32yrs
1901 - 40yrs
1911 - 51yrs
After much musing i have found her death certificate, In 1934, Stating her age as 76yrs..and which states name LUCY EMMA KING otherwise EMMA MAY ... informant is her daughter, (no mention anywhere previously of lucy)
Now i know she never married, although she lived with a John May for many years, and when on the 1911 census she is calling herself Emma May..
I know her parents were Frederick King & Maria nee Stops..
I have found the parents and elder sister on the 1861, but no Emma.. she might not have been born then of course..
I have searched through the dates 1858 - 1862 and nothing... well i have ordered 3 copies and all are the wrong Emma!..
I also have a couple of workhouse records which state her birth as 1859.
She must have been a wonderfully strong woman as she had 14children, including triplets, she sadly lost quite a few children.. she never married.. and lived with 2 different men that i know of..
Do you think i will ever find Emmas Birth, or should i just give up ???
ELLMER - Yorkshire to Strood, Kent
ROGERS - Rochester, Kent
CARDER - Rye to Rochester, Kent
KEMP - Hawkhurst - Rochester, Kent
THOMAS - Chatham, Kent
RHODES - Rye
WOOLLEY - Milton to Rochester
STANLEY - Whitechapel
LOUGHAN - Ireland
BURNET - Essex
SWEATMAN - Kent
BECK - Chatham
BLACK - Rochester
WICKER - Strood
KING - Middlesex - Strood
CROUCH - Headcorn
HICKMOTT - Lamberhurst
BATES - Strood
WELFARE - Sussex - Strood

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Re: Cant find a birth for EMMA KING born Brentford Middlesex!
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 13:50 BST (UK) »
Failure to register a birth only became a fineable offence in 1874/5 so numerous births were unregistered prior to then

My great grandmother was born in 1877 and although I have her baptismal record showing her full birthdate - there is no birth registration for her

The only baptism I can find with parents Frederick & Maria is this one at Hillingdon St John the Baptist

Mary Ann King Born 7.3.1859 - baptism 11.3.1860    parents Frederick & Maria King - Frederick was a labourer
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Re: Cant find a birth for EMMA KING born Brentford Middlesex!
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 14:00 BST (UK) »
If it's any comfort I have a missing one too.  Born in 1864 and baptised along with her siblings but no registration for her.

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Re: Cant find a birth for EMMA KING born Brentford Middlesex!
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 14:00 BST (UK) »
She is not on the 1861 census the only child there is Sarah aged 5 so if she was born in 1861 it was after the census


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Re: Cant find a birth for EMMA KING born Brentford Middlesex!
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 14:05 BST (UK) »
Have you discounted
Lucy Emma King
1858  Brentford 3a 39? on freemd.
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Re: Cant find a birth for EMMA KING born Brentford Middlesex!
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 14:06 BST (UK) »
Lucy Emma King

Brentford 3a 39

Jun 1858
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Re: Cant find a birth for EMMA KING born Brentford Middlesex!
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 14:17 BST (UK) »
There's a family tree with Lucy Emma King born 1858 (tho it says Bermondsey not Brentford) death 1934 Chatham

Son William John born 1878 - does that tie in with what you have?

There is a copy birth certificate for Lucy Emma 15 Mar 1858 but parents are George Frederick and Sarah  :(  and she is with them in 1861 age 3
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Re: Cant find a birth for EMMA KING born Brentford Middlesex!
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 14:45 BST (UK) »
George Frederick and Sarah  :(  and she is with them in 1861 age 3

Is it possible G F dropped the George (which is quite common) & possibly Lucy Emma was by a 1st wife & possibly married 2nd time with full title  ???

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Re: Cant find a birth for EMMA KING born Brentford Middlesex!
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 15:01 BST (UK) »
A possible  ???

Name:   George Frederick King
Registration Year:   1855
Registration Quarter:   Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:   Lambeth
Volume:   1d
Page:   405

Phebe O'Brien

Daniel Ford

Sarah Humphreys

George Frederick King

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

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