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Cordwinder?
« on: Monday 06 April 15 21:36 BST (UK) »
Can anyone decipher the occupation of John Stutle of Ratcliff? It is from the 1659 baptism of his son, John.

The best I can do is "Cord'winder" but the letter spacing and the wayward apostrophe look wrong.

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Re: Cordwinder?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 April 15 21:52 BST (UK) »
cordwainer shoemaker originally using a Spanish  leather

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Re: Cordwinder?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 April 15 21:54 BST (UK) »
It is Cordwinder (there is no apostrophe, that is just the tail of the d). This term was used interchangeably with cordwainer (a leather worker/shoemaker), rather than meaning a maker of cords or ropes, however it is difficult to be certain of what was meant here.

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Re: Cordwinder?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 April 15 22:11 BST (UK) »
Not sure that this helps, but there is another of this profession listed on the same page as your John:
30 Oct 1659 Richard Moucke son of John Moucke
It is the last one on the page.
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Re: Cordwinder?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 April 15 22:38 BST (UK) »
cordiner,cordwainer,corviner,corvisor.these were all terms for someone who worked with cordovan
a special leather from spain but later a term for shoemakers.

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Re: Cordwinder?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 April 15 23:41 BST (UK) »
It is Cordwinder (there is no apostrophe, that is just the tail of the d). This term was used interchangeably with cordwainer (a leather worker/shoemaker), rather than meaning a maker of cords or ropes, however it is difficult to be certain of what was meant here.

Alexander

Thanks. It is obviously the tail of the "d" now it's been pointed out  :-[

I did wonder if he was something other than a shoemaker, being amongst so many Mariners and Shipwrights, etc but I suppose seamen need shoes as much as anyone else  ::)

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Re: Cordwinder?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 April 15 23:58 BST (UK) »
This term was used interchangeably with cordwainer (a leather worker/shoemaker), rather than meaning a maker of cords or ropes, however it is difficult to be certain of what was meant here.

It's worth bearing in mind that Ratcliff was the main centre for ropemaking on the north side of the river.

Oxford English Dictionary
cord-winder   n. one who makes cords or ropes.
1707   London Gaz. No. 4362/4   Lancelot Bowler..Cordwinder.

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Re: Cordwinder?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 April 15 09:05 BST (UK) »
Rope making does seem the more likely, given that many of the early Stuttles appear to have been linked to boat/ship building or seafaring generally. Another I found in Ratcliff was a "saylemaker".

Thanks for all the contributions  :)

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Re: Cordwinder?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 13:20 BST (UK) »
Hi there

Are you still researching James Paston?