Ancestors of Alice Burgess Brown, b. Fatfield, County Durham, !908

[Rosie29]

 
I would very grateful for some information on the ancestors of Alice Burgess Brown, who was born in Fatfield, County Durham, 1908, to Isabella (b. Humphrey), and William Brown. All possibly from the same area.

This is all I know about them:

Alice married Charles Tomkins of Lubenham, Leics, in 1937.
William Brown died age 29.
Isabella then married a Mr Dodds.

Thanks in advance for any help,

[chempat]

Have you identified and applied for the marriages of Isabella?

Do you have access to the 1911 census to find Alice there?

[CaroleW]

If you are looking for her ancestry - you already have her parents names so can then work backwards using that info.

As Chempat says - start by finding them on the 1911 census which will give you her parents ages and birthplaces and also how long they had been married

Use freebmd to find their marriage  www.freebmd.org.uk

If they were born before 1881 - the 1881 census is free to search here

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1321821

[chempat]

I got this from IGI (International Genealogical Index)  :

Isabella Humphrey  birth 1879  Fatfield Durham
Father Taylor Humphrey Mother  Jane

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[chempat]

Think the marriage was in 1900 - showing on free bmd.

Added:
If you know she married Mr Dodds, have you got a death for her?

The Isabella Brown marriage to Dodds can easily be found on free bmd (Chester-le-Street, 1915)

Added:
Unless it is Morpeth in 1911 (!) - but probably not.

[SelDen]

To get you started:

Registration of birth for Alice Burgess Brown Chester le S vol 10 a page 641 www.freebmd.org.uk

William Cuthbert Brown & Isabella Humphrey married Sep Q 1900 freebmd

1891 Census DUR  Fatfield St George’s parish
10 Chaters? Haugh?, 4 rooms
Taylor Humphrey Hd M 50 Coal Miner DUR South Hylton
Jane 48 NBL Longbenton
Mary A dau S 18 DUR Fatfield
William son S 17 Balcksmith DUR Fatfield
Taylor son 15 born do
Jane dau 14 born do
Isabella dau 12 born do
Ethel Thompson Niece 5 born NBL Cullercoats

1881 DUR Fatfield
Taylor Humphrey Hd Mar 40 Coal Miner DUR South Hylton
Jane wife 38 NBL Killingworth
Jane Ann Carter dau-in-law 13 Domestic DUR Fatfield
Mary Ann Humphrey dau 8 DUR Fatfield
William son 7 born do
Taylor son 5 born do
Jane dau 4 born do
Isabella dau 2 born do

On the same page Marriages, Sep Q 1872 Gateshead Jane Carter (see name of step daughter/daughter in 1881) & Taylor Humphrey .

Was little Jane Ann Carter a daughter from a previous marriage for Jane senior or an illegitimate child? The 1872 marriage certificate & Jane Ann Carter’s birth certificate should clear this up.

1871 Census Fatfield DUR
Long Rowe
Mary Humphra? Head Widow 58 DUR South Hylton
Taylor do son unmarried 30 Pit Banksman DUR So Hylton
Mary Humphra dau unmarried 24 Servant DUR Fatfield
William A Smith Gd son 7 school born do

1861 Census Harraton, Charlton? haugh?
Mary Humper? Head Widow 48 So Hylton
Tailor do son unmarried 20 Copperod?? maker?? DUR So Hylton
Elizabeth dau 17 DUR Char Haugh
Mary Ann dau 14 at school born do

1851 Census Harraton,
Charlton? Haugh
William Humphrey Married 43 Copperod?? Maker born NBL Newburn
Mary wife 39 DUR Hyltpm
Taylor son 10 born do
Elisabeth dau 7 born do
Mary Ann do dau 4 born do

[SelDen]

1841 census DUR
Hylton
Wm Humphrey 30 N[ot born in county] P?
Mary 25 Y[es  born in county]
Taylor 10 months Y

You might need Taylor Humphrey’s birth certificate to sort out his mother’s name, as there are a lot of brides called Mary in the likely options for the marriage of William Humphrey around 1840.

The following seems to relate to the father of William Humphrey, as William’s brother (yet another Taylor Humphrey) survives to marry in Newburn in 1840 (see www.freeref.org.uk), and does not seem to have been a keelman:

On Friday evening an inquest was held in this town…on the body of Taylor Humphrey, a keelman in the employment of Joseph Lamb Esq, who was thrown overboard from his keel, when near St ANthony’s the same morning. His body was found abt 200 yards from the place where the accident occurred. Verdict - Accidental Death
Newcastle Journal, 7 December 1833

Newburn, Northumberland, St Michael and All Angels born 19 March 1806 & bap 31 July 1808 3rd son of Taylor Humphrey & wife Mary Prudhoe, Newburn Hall, Keelman. Father from Ovingham parish & mother from Whickham parish [source www.freereg.org.uk - transcribed from the Bishop’s Transcripts]

5 June 1802 Taylor Humphrey, Bachelor, Newburn married Mary Prudhoe, Newburn, Spinster by Banns
Marriages, St Michael’s & All ANgels, Newburn [transcribed from the BTs by www.freereg.org.uk]

You can see images of the Bishop’s Transcripts for many parishes in the Diocese of Durham (which included most of Northumberland) on www.familysearch.org - these are unindexed and so you scan through them as you would a film. However, if the corresponding parish registers have been indexed on another part of familysearch.org you can use these index entries to help you navigate through the Bishop’s Transcripts. You will be able to pick up other members of the families mentioned above.

Other useful sources:
http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com
www.genuki.org.uk
www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk
www.ndfhs.org.uk

[SelDen]

William Cuthbert Brown bap 27 August 1879 son of Thomas & Jane Ann Brown born 21 July 1879, Fatfield

1901 Newcastle upon Tyne, Ecc parish - St Aidan’s
49 Glue Ter
William C Brown Head Married 21 Hotel Barman Fatfield Co Dur
Isabella wife 22 born do
Jane A dau 5 mo born do

1891 Fatfield, St George’s parish
No 1 Chater? Haugh (Ferry Boat Inn)
Jane Ann Brown Head Wid 38 Licensed Victualler Newcastle upon Tyne
Lilian dau S 12 DUR Fatfield
William C son born doDaniel M 10 born do Ernest son 9 born do

OK, have run out of time & have to dash, but William's family looks to have some distinctive names & occupations so that may offset the common name & hopefully you will be able to trace them further back.

[Rosie29]

 Many thanks to you all for so much help, especially Selden. I am short of time this week but will take this up again shortly. I am doing this for my cousin, Sheila Heeney b. Tomkins, who is Alice's daughter. I know she will be thrilled with your information.

Best wishes,

Rosemarie