Catherine Bain, Inverkeillor, Angus

[Brunning]

Hi Jen,

In the Scottish part of my family tree I have Dakers, Christie and Jolly, which I see you are researching; however, I don't have any cross over with the Jolly or Dakers names you have put forward.

What I have done is found a birth for Elizabeth on the FindMyPast web, as follow spree:

Print transcription Attach to tree
First name(s)   Lizzie Smith
Last name   Dakers
Gender   Female
Birth year   1891
Birth place   Craig, Forfar, Scotland
Baptism year   -
Baptism date   -
Baptism place   -
Father's first name(s)   James
Father's last name   Dakers
Mother's first name(s)   Jessie
Mother's last name   Anderson Dakers
Residence   Scotland
Place   Craig
County   Forfarshire (Angus)
Country   Scotland
Record set   Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950
Category   Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory   Births & baptisms
Collections from   Great Britain

It's route is http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=r_687171384, but of course you will need a subscription with them to view it.


Regards

Roger

[Brunning]

And another thing!

Transcript of passengers sailing Glasgow to Montreal.

First name(s)   JENNIE. (On the actual page this is definitely JESSIE and not as shown)
Last name   DAKERS
Title   MRS
Gender   Female
Age   42
Birth year   1863
Marital status   M
Occupation   HO KEEPER
Departure year   1905
Departure day   3
Departure month   6
Departure port   GLASGOW
Destination port   MONTREAL
Destination   MONTREAL
Country   CANADA
Destination country   CANADA
Ship name   CORINTHIAN
Ship master's first name   THOMAS
Ship master's last name   PICKERING
Shipping line   ALLAN LINE ROYAL MAIL STEAMERS AND STATE LINE
City   GLASGOW
Ship destination port   MONTREAL
Ship destination country   CANADA
Ship square feet   14367
Ship registered tonnage   4018
Number of passengers   467
Record set   Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category   Travel & migration
Subcategory   Passenger lists
Collections from   Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

Regards

Roger

[Brunning]

Jen,

I have just checked my last posting, as well as Jessie on that boat she had 2 children Annie, 21, a weaver and James, 21  a plasterer.

Roger

[jennywren001]

Wow, Roger thanks for that I see my mistake at SP was to search for D*K*R - I should have added a star at the end to pick up Dakers! I never even think to look on FindMyPast for Scottish births.

If that's Elizabeth's mom going out to Canada I wonder what happened to all the children, the youngest Jemima would have only been about 8 in 1905. No idea who Annie and James might be?

This is my only connection to the Dakers so more than happy with what you have discovered.
Jen

[Brunning]

Jen,

Have now discounted the emigration people.  I found the 1891 and 1901 census reports on FindMyPast and Annie and James don't figure, so I think I was totally wrong on that one.  I can't find Elizabeth at all after her birth.

Regards

Roger

[jennywren001]

Hmmm...At FindMyPast I've found a Lizzie Dakin age 9 boarding with the Edwards at 10 Panmure Row in Montrose wonder if that's her?
Jen

[jennywren001]

Roger - they must have all gone out to Canada! Snips are from Robert Dakers and Arthur Jolly's attestation papers - check out the addresses 
Jen
EDIT: Roger, sorry I seem to have highjacked your thread didn't mean to just got carried away with your finds.

[MonicaL]

Hi Roger and Jen

Good to see you with a connection to the Dakers too, Jen 

Roger, some thoughts for you....

Scottish naming pattern is such a useful feature of Scottish research if/when it helps connect dots (even in pencil!) where you have a lack of info on ancestors.

For James and Christina, we have early children as:

James b. 1824
Elizabeth b. 1826
Isabella b. 1828
William b. 1832
David b. 1835
Alexander b. 1840
Agnes b. 1843

I saw that your David named his first (?) born son James Bain Dakers. James after father and wondered whether Catherine Bain, mother's father, may also have been a James Bain?

Elizabeth, possible name for mother to either James or Christina

Isabella, the same

William, now confirmed as James Dakers' father.

The rest, connected family names likely.

There is this entry showing here for a marriage between a William Dakers (Dacres) to an Isobel Scott https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTVP-WY2

Children showing for this couple include:

Alexander 1803 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYJZ-VXD - only father William is named so even lighter pencil...but more on him later.

David 1808 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYJC-NQK

Maxwell 1810 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBH5-XSQ

You look to have FindMyPast rather than A/try. On A/try, there is a family tree here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/68981613/person/36194882518?ssrc= for son Alexander b. 1803. He married a Jane Low in 1825...in Ferryden...where your James and Catherine were living. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTV3-MXW This Alexander looks to have died in 1860, living at the time of his death at George Street, Montrose. Again, your James, widower, lived in Montrose in his later years. Occupation Shore Porter and at the time he died, Inn Keeper.

Re Maxwell Dakers, not much on him except he seems to have married an Agnes Evan in 1834 Forfar. He looks to have died on 8 OCT 1886 in 12 New Road, Forfar, Angus. His children's names similar to all we are seeing.

Monica

[MonicaL]

You have a good number of christening entries from the Old Parish Registers that I listed links to above for the children of James and Christina. These will be available to view on Scotlands People as images. You can get clues from christening entries with the names of sponsors. Very often these can be family, helping you again connect some dots.

Monica