Marriage

[Suzy W]

Hi

I am having trouble with Scotlandspeople and a marriage.  I know William Lyall married Mary Milne on the 28 March 1850 Jamesfield By Abernethy, Scotland.  (This was found out by a previous family member who went to Scotland and found the records, he now has gone to the pearly gates)
Scotlandspeople has nothing coming up.  I really would like to know if the records (if any) would have parents name of the groom and witnesses?  I have the brides family but not the grooms.

Cheers
Suzy W

[CaroleW]

Have you seen the info on SP about pre-1855 marriage info?

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/Help/index.aspx?r=554&406

[Throth]

Not our usual haunts .... however ....

Their daughter Elizabeth was born 13 Sep 1855 at Longforgan.  How lucky can you get?

The 1855 birth certificate should provide the date and place of marriage plus a list of other children saying whether they are still alive or dead - plus the usual information.

Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)

[Suzy W]

Yes that is correct, one child Elisabeth born there 13 Sep 1855, the first two children in Woodwell, Parish of Kinnaird, then the others were born Mid Craigie, Dundee, Ardownie, 1 Mile North Of Monifieth In Forfar, and the rest in New Zealand.

Now I was able to find three other Lyall families in Lonforgan at the time of Elisabeths birth, David and Susan, Arthur and Jean and George an Euphemia. I wondered if they were related to William at all?

I think my William moved about a bit.  It is said he was orphaned at a young age and was born in Dundee area 1830, nothing is coming up on Scotlands people for his birth nor marriage.  However I did find a death for a William Lyall 1838 in Dundee age 60, this could be his father.
1851 we find William and Mary a very young married couple living in Woodwell and in 1861 Angus, Purleton with their five children, states he was born in Dundee.  The 1841 census is a little tricky as he would of been with another family maybe the Whitton family?

It has remained a mystery for many years on who his parents were.  With the Scots naming pattern we presume his father was a William as his first son was named after his wife's father and second son was named William.

I have managed to print off a few pages with the Lyall name in Dundee, sadly I just can not join the dots to possible parents for William. 

Cheers
Suzy W

[Throth]

Does the 1855 birth certificate not give any information about the parents' marriage?

Throth

[Suzy W]

The birth cert has gone, not too certain who may have it now.  I presume that is where a family member got the dates from and he has since died.  He and his brother spent many years tracing the family, even going to Scotland and the record office.  I am going off his family report and the dead end is with William Lyall born 1830.
I really thought with modern day searching we could find something new.
It was noted he thought the mother of William was a Barbara Patellow, still nothing with that name is showing, only one daughter having that name born here in NZ.  I did note myself a Patillo marrying a Lyall way back to 1673 otherwise no other names like it.

[Throth]

1855 is the first year of civil registration in Scotland so you should be able to download a copy from ScotlandsPeople.

Throth

[Rosinish]

Barbara Patellow, Patillo

Other variants too...........include Pattullo

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Patillo

Annie

[Suzy W]

Thanks Troth I do have William and Mary's marriage date, the main problem was finding it on Scotlands People so I could order it