scots miner to New Zealand mill hand . James Duff Black

[brigidmac]

Thanks for all help Lucy + Whiteout
So i was wrong about Southampton being too far for a Scots man to travel . !
It does fit with the possible 1920-22 marriage ;
his wife jeanie had 3 siblings who left for USA in 1923 joined by another in 1929 . their deceased fATHER  was   Clothlapper  + they were very poor so a financial incentive is probably likely

[Lucy2]

Thanks for your message, brigidmac.    Good luck with your future searching. 

   ~  Lu

[brigidmac]

this info was supplied by someone on GR
no ages are given + as the children had same names as parents i don't know how you tell whether the later ones refer to the adult children + not the parents though the son had middle name Kyle .

New Zealand ERs

Name: Jeanie Kyle Black, Housewife
Electoral Year: 1928
District: Buller
Region or Province: West Coast
Address: 88 Plateau, Denniston

With James Duff Black, Surface Worker
1935 -as above
1938- as above
1946 - as above

Also 1946


Name: Jean Kyle Macdermid Black, spinster             ( could be daughter ?)
Electoral Year: 1946
District: Buller
Region or Province: West Coast
 


Name: Jean Kyle Black
Electoral Year: 1949
District: Buller
Region or Province: West Coast


Name: Jean Kyle Black
Electoral Year: 1954
District: Buller
Region or Province: West Coast
With James.


Name: Jean Kyle Black
Electoral Year: 1957
District: Ashburton
Region or Province: Canterbury
Address: 44 Andrew Street
With James Duff Black, mill hand 


This looks like the Daughter


Name: Jean Kyle Dwyer
Electoral Year: 1949
District: Ashburton
Region or Province: Canterbury
Address: 104 Aitken Street

With Maurice Patrick Dwyer, Carrier


Name: Jean Kyle Dwyer
Electoral Year: 1969
District: Ashburton
Region or Province: Canterbury
Address 86 Creek Road with Maurice


Name: Jean Kyle Dwyer
Electoral Year: 1981
District: Ashburton
Region or Province: Canterbury
Address: 108 Creek Road with Maurice, pensioner and Kevin John Dwyer , Metal Worker

 

[Lucy2]

Hi brigidmac

Daughter, Jean Kyle MacDermid BLACK, wasn't eligible to vote until she was 21 years of age.  So assuming her birth year - given as 1923 on her death registration - is correct, the first general election in which she was entitled to enrol to vote, would be 1946.   
She married two years after this (her full name as above ^ is shown on the marriage index) so from the next election year 1949, she is listed under her married surname DWYER (though has, for whatever reason, ceased using her "third" name of MacDermid.)

   ~  Lu

[brigidmac]

Thanks again Lu ; I've just been playing with scottish Valuation rolls ; they don't give ages but addresses in 1920 + 1925 have progressed me further in search for father's cousins ....otherwise couldn't find the ones who stayed in Lanarkshire

 scottish death certs are also very useful ;
I'm going to try accessing some wills that you can now see on line ..it's all go

[brigidmac]

  thanks to your help I managed to see the probate records ... James duff Black left everything to his daughter jean in 1964  so i presume the son born in Scotland . around 1922, had died   I don't know if he used a middle name    he was possibly the millhand on the 1954 electoral rolls  as father james duff Black is a miner /ex-miner on ALL records now
 
there must be a lot of James black's in NZ
can anyone find his death  pls .

[Janette]

It may be easier if you find James the son's birth if he was four on arrival his birth would have been C 1922 not 1926,also did hr have a middle name.

Cheers Janette

[brigidmac]

thanks jeanette . I've modified year .he could also have been born in 1921 and coming up to his 5th birthday .
so back to Scottish records

[Lucy2]

Hi brigidmac

I have a hunch that this may be James BLACK junior ?  EDIT  -- Maybe not    See following post.

http://public.bullerdc.govt.nz/cgi-bin/mksform?form=cemetery/cep

[Just type in surname "BLACK" ]

Select record #  004166

BLACK - James
Died 11 July 1997
76 years  {bc 1921}
Retired Carpenter
Born:  Lanark, Scotland

Orowaiti Cemetery
RSA B - Plot 27

   ~  Lu

EDITED to show this was the wrong James BLACK. - although the correct James BLACK also died in 1997.   See later posts.