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Re: Ann Walters Frome Workhouse
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 19 May 15 21:50 BST (UK) »
Don't know how I missed this - There is a burial at St John the Baptist Frome on 30 November 1836 for a William Walters on the NBI

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St John the Baptist Frome
Burial 30 November 1836
William WALTERS
Age   4 months
Abode Work House
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Re: Ann Walters Frome Workhouse
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 19 May 15 22:20 BST (UK) »
 ;D   ;D    ;D

Westcombe is a Hamlet in Batcombe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batcombe,_Somerset

1841 Westcombe Street, Batcombe -  H0107/ 963 f5 p3

Richard Walter   45 occ Shoe maker
Hannah Walter   45
Richard Walter   15
Jane Walter   13
Ellen Walter   10
Clara Walter   9
George Walter   7
William Walter   4
all born in county
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Re: Ann Walters Frome Workhouse
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 19 May 15 22:41 BST (UK) »
1851 Richard is a widower occ Master Shoe maker - he is in lodgings without the children
HO107 /1933 f168 p1   
Surname is consistent as Walter.  Will leave you to look for the family

Must finish for tonight.

Rosie
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Re: Ann Walters Frome Workhouse
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 19 May 15 22:53 BST (UK) »
Not sure Rosie :)

Apparently a cordwainer is a maker of soft shoes

Ann is a pet name for Hannah (We had a Hannah in my family who was always called Ann)

But Alfred born 1839 is missing

((So we come back to  "in the 1841 census an Ann Walters living with a family called Bailey in Bristol.  Ann aged 20 (so born 1821) had with her two children William and Alfred born 1836 (mum 15) and 1839 (mum 18)" ))

*Did the 1841 census not give a place of birth for William or Alfred or Ann?
*What were William, Alfred and Ann listed as (guests, sister in law?)
*What were the names, birth dates and birth places of the Bailey couple?


Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
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Re: Ann Walters Frome Workhouse
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 20 May 15 08:04 BST (UK) »
Hi whiteout

The only information that we have on William bn c1837 is from the 1861 census where he states he was born Westcombe, Somerset and his 1859 marriage where he gives his fathers name as Richard whose occupation is a Cordwainer.

The old occupations website http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/c2.html  gives the definition of a cordwainer as - Shoemaker. Originally, a leather worker using high quality Cordovan leather from Spain for such things as harness, gloves and riding boots. By the 19c it had reduced to a shoemaker - as distinct from a cobbler, who repaired shoes  I have many of my Northampton area family who fluctuate between being Cordwainers/Shoe makers  ;D

I suspect that the reason John was looking at the William born in the workhouse in Frome with mother Ann, followed by the 1841 census entry in Bristol with a possible Ann and two children was that the William was around the right age and born Somerset.  These now appear to be 'red herrings' as the workhouse William has died thus eliminating the possible mother  'Ann'

This 1841 census is no longer relevant but I will answer the queries  :)

*Did the 1841 census not give a place of birth for William or Alfred or Ann?
*What were William, Alfred and Ann listed as (guests, sister in law?)
*What were the names, birth dates and birth places of the Bailey couple?

* The 1841 census was Bristol - place of birth for the family was born in County (assumed Gloucestershire though some parts of Bristol are also considered to be Somerset.
* The Bailey couple were a Brewer and his wife - 1841 census does not give relationships - there were other possible lodgers in this household including another young woman with children.

I think that the family that I have found in Westcombe Road, Batcombe ticks all the boxes on the small amount of evidence we have for William.

Rosie  :)
 
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Re: Ann Walters Frome Workhouse
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 20 May 15 09:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie

I am sure you are right that the only possible family left for William is the one you found under the name Walter.  I too have seen a Hannah referred to as Ann, it seems to be not uncommon.  Add the fact that the father is Richard and a cordwainer as William stated when he married then possibility is turning into probability.

However the next interesting thing is what happened to the family?  You found William's father Richard in the 1851 census living alone (for some reason I couldn't find him in FreeCen- I must look again) and a Hannah Walter is recorded as being buried on 22 Aug 1841 in Batcombe but that leaves all the kids.  William certainly ended up in Cork in Ireland so did they all go?  I don't know of any online sources of passenger lists of vessels plying between Bristol and Cork - do you?

All very mysterious.  And now I must pursue Richard and Hannah backwards in time.

Cheers

John


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Re: Ann Walters Frome Workhouse
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 20 May 15 12:03 BST (UK) »
Did William join the Army in Ireland or did he join up in England then go to Ireland with them.  I see that Zebedees army records have him in Curragh prior to being in Aldershot perhaps William was there too.  How old was William when he joined up.

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Re: Ann Walters Frome Workhouse
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 20 May 15 12:09 BST (UK) »
Yes, he enlisted in Cork and was 18 years old.  Information from the records of the Grenadier Guards.
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Re: Ann Walters Frome Workhouse
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 20 May 15 14:46 BST (UK) »
This looks like him in 1851.  :-\   There is a 12 year old William Walter and a 14 year old George Walter lodging with an Ann Walter - William is classed as Lodger & Brother in law.  I think that Ann is a widow (it has been obliterated by the enumerator)  Batcombe - HO107 /1933 f174 p13
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