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Marriage of William Halbert to Sarah ?
« on: Saturday 09 May 15 07:44 BST (UK) »
William Halbert Jr was born about 1766 in Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England. We havent found his baptism yet.

He was a son of William Halbert 1742-1803 and Alison (Alice) Potts 1743-1814 who married in Roxburgh, Scotland.

William Jr died about 27 Jun 1815 in Black Boy Chare, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

William like his father was a tailor.

William married Sarah. The problem is we dont know when or where or her surname. I have a separate thread for some of his descendants but have created this thread in the hope that fresh eyes might find the linkages I need for this marriage.

One possibility is that William Halbert married Sarah Kemp in Saint Botolph Without Aldersgate, London, London, England on 31 May 1791 but there are problems with this being their marriage.

I have the official register of the marriage of William Halbert to Sarah Kemp plus the marriage certificate. It says William was "of this parish". It also says he was a gentleman.

This is the best fit for a marriage but the details dont add up. The church itself wasnt the normal Presbyterian church that Williams siblings and parents went to. Why was William in London marrying someone? Was he there on business or trying to set up a business? Was it a shotgun wedding? Williams own children were baptised in multiple different churches in Newcastle upon Tyne/Gateshead but all followed the family religion.

William and Sarahs children - possibly still some missing

Sarah d 1795
William b1792
Alice b 1794
John 1796-1854
Sarah b 1798
Elizabeth b 1799
George Potts 1802-1851
Elizabeth 1804-1807
Mary Ann 1805-1806
Thomas 1806-1865 (unconfirmed link to this family)

  • On ancestry someone has the right William marrying Sarah Robson but there are no records to provide proof.
    There is a William Hilbert marring a Sarah Oglesby in Scawby,Lincoln,England on 7 Aug 1793

The separate thread.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666035.0

I have a broader blog and also an ancestry tree.

https://cerberuscoins.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/descendants-of-thomas-halbert-1806-1865/



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Re: Marriage of William Halbert to Sarah ?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 May 15 12:45 BST (UK) »
Hello
Not a lot of help but checking out entries for a William Halbert of London there's nothing else on him.No London tax records,no Will,no children being born,no burials for him and Sarah .Nowt.

As for marrying in a Presbyterian Church the law was different in England to Scotland and while it would have been legal over the border in England William and his bride had to go to the Anglican church,Quaker meeting house or a Rabbi for it to be legal .This had been in force since Hardwicks marriage act of 1754.

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Re: Marriage of William Halbert to Sarah ?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 May 15 13:15 BST (UK) »
Thank you Ciderdrinker.

The whole Halbert families were Protestant. I keep confusing the two terms. Would someone protestant from a protestant family marry in an anglican church?
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White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
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Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
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Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
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Re: Marriage of William Halbert to Sarah ?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 May 15 13:51 BST (UK) »
Yes they would .Otherwise the marriage would be invalid.
The same is true of catholic families.
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Re: Marriage of William Halbert to Sarah ?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 May 15 21:42 BST (UK) »
And here was me thinking that a Protestant would only get married in a protestant church. Sounds more like a shotgun wedding in the brides family church.
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: Marriage of William Halbert to Sarah ?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 August 15 07:21 BST (UK) »
Ive still been trying to locate any other marriage of William and Sarah Halbert and seeing if they had any children in London at this time. There only appears to be Joseph son of William & Amelia Halbert, born 11 March 1797, St Sepulchre London. I can't see any other children for this couple.

I see that a William & Sarah Halbert had a daughter Elizabeth in Gloucester in 1808. This may be the same couple who got married in London but I havent found any other records.

McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick