Electoral List descriptions query

[hallmark]

Rated Occupiers were entitled to vote in local elections and in parliamentary elections which would cover wife, children of votable ages.

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Hallmark

The first line says ~

'the rated occupier was the owner or occupier of a business property'

I don't read this as being a home / tenement type property but I could be wrong.

I suppose to the owners of tenements they WERE business'.

So, if you read this differently ie as in to cover tenement houses and the like then why do you think in the vast majority of my family tree only the 'head of household' is the only one listed ?

I can't see why all the others aren't listed !

Tara

[hallmark]

 Occupiers  were entitled to vote in local elections and in parliamentary elections... of Rated properties of £4 rate value, they didn't have to own it.

[hallmark]

an occupier is an occupier.. not necessarily the owner

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Turvey

I can only use my own tree to cross reference against the description given on the voter criteria link.

I'm typing this up how it makes sense to me but most likely won't read well or make sense to others but here goes :

Mine were mainly labourers in tenements too !

So, in my head, for it to make sense the rated occupier as Hallmark stated is what out folks would have fallen under as the extra criteria needed plus the obvious age one.

Then I feel that there was a rent book and it was the person named on the rent book only whom was the rated occupier and whom then could go on to vote.

So, this doesn't explain a lot of others (those I call head of households) from MY tree, whom are missing from the electoral roll.

So, I'm looking at the £4 criteria listed against the value of the rated occupier total house.

I am making a presumption here that like all things, that even amongst the poor folks, there was a hierarchy of tenement.

The lesser value tenements then didn't fall into this qualifying criteria.

Does that make sense ? 

Again, I could be wrong, but using this explains MY tree but maybe not other people's ancestors.

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Hallmark

Here is an example for a street that my ancestors lived on ~ it's called Sitric Road.

http://databases.dublincity.ie/burgesses/viewdoc.php?burgessid=158137&djvupath=imagefiles&orderby=007633&imagefile=1911_0115.jpg

You can each house and / or portion of house only has ONE name listed against it !

Tara

[hallmark]

Rateable valuation was a calculation of the amount of rental which could be obtained annually on any premises.

Rated OCCUPIERS were entitled to vote in local elections and in parliamentary elections.

i.e,  OCCUPIERS who lived in a property where the amount of rental which could be obtained annually was £4!

[taramcdsmall]

If you look at my example of the electoral roll for Sitric Road and then cross reference it against the 1911 Census for Sitric Road ~ not one wife is on the electoral roll.

Some have children of the qualifying age and they aren't on the electoral roll either.

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

My point being ~

You may have OCCUPIED a RATED OCCUPIED HOUSE

BUT

That didn't make you the RATED occupier

The RATED occupier was the one responsible for paying the rates and hence the one that got the vote.

If you have any examples of your Dublin family whom they ALL appear on the electoral roll then I would love to see an example.

Tara