Harriet Carless missing in census

[littleem1906]

I have in my family tree Harriet Carless (ab1826 - ?). She married Joseph Parker in Birmingham on 24th Feb 1850.
Joseph Parker - 24 - Bachelor -  ? Filer - Lichfield Street - Father's name is John Parker (Labourer)
Harriet Carless? - 24 - Spinster - Lichfield Street - Father's name is Thomas Carless (bricklayer)
Witnesses - Susannah ? & William Kempson

There is a slight issue with the surname on their marriage Banns document because it has been transcribed as Carless but doesn't much look like it!

I have found Harriet living with her husband Joseph Parker in the following censuses - 1851, 1861 and 1871.

The details are as follows (note her change of age in census compared to her age at the time of marriage)

1851 - Brewery Street, Birmingham
Joseph Parker - Head - 25 - Labourer - Billbrook, Staffordshire
Harriet Parker - Wife - 21 - Hinge ? - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Parker - Son - 8months - Birmingham, Warwickshire

1861 - Brewery Street
Joseph Parker - Head - 34 - Hinge Filer - Tetenhall?, Staffordshire
Harriet Parker - Wife - 29 - Hinge Punsher? - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Parker - Son - 10 - Erand Boy - Birmingham, Warwickshire
Jane Parker - Daughter - 12 - (occupation unreadable) - Birmingham, Warwickshire
Thomas Parker - Son - 8 - Scholar - Birmingham, Warwickshire
Harriet Parker - Daughter - 6 - Scholar - Birmingham, Warwickshire

1871 - Brewery Street
Joseph Parker - Head - 45 - Hinge Maker - Billbrook, Staffordshire
Harriet Parker - Wife - 42 - Hinge Maker - Hampton, Staffordshire
Harriet Parker - Daughter - 16 - Hinge Maker - Birmingham, Warwickshire
Benjamin Parker - 9 - Scholar - Birmingham, Warwickshire
Thomas Parker - Son - 18 - I Filer - Birmingham, Warwickshire
Alice Parker - Daughter - 2 - Birmingham, Warwickshire
William Adams - Boarder - 20 - Gunmaker - Birmingham, Warwickshire

Where is Harriet prior to her marriage in 1850? Was her surname really Carless or is it a mis-transcription? Where is she after 1871? I am guessing that she died between 1871 and 1881 because I believe her husband Joseph Parker remarried.

Joseph Parker - 54 - Widower - Brewery Street - Hinge ? - Father's name - John Parker (Farmer)
Marriage date - 10 June 1881 in Birmingham
Wife - Mary Walton - 40 - Widower - Brewery Street - Father's name - Joseph Simpson (deceased)
Witnesses - Joseph & Elizabeth Marsh

Any hep with locating Harriet prior to her marriage, and after 1871 would be greatly appreciated.

[rutht22000]

Hello

It is Carless - looking on the original it looks like whoever wrote the names as its just her mark rather than her signature has used an old style way of saying a double s - 'fs'. He's done it with the witness Susannah Crofs (Cross) as well.

[littleem1906]

Ah I see. Thanks for that! I had no idea that double s was written in that way.

[Annette7]

Have found her but records show the surname as 'Careless'!!

1841 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

Thomas Careless   45     Bricklayer       Y
Elizabeth Careless  45                          N
Jane Careless  15                                Y
William Careless 15                             Y
Harriett Careless 14                             Y
Walter Careless  8                               Y

1851 - Thomas still in Wolverhampton but now remarried to an Anne - only son Walter still at home but 2 children of his new wife with surname Bate.

1st wife Elizabeth died as Careless   Mar.qtr.1842 Birmingham or Dec.qtr.1842 Wolverhampton.

Thomas Carless, son of Walter Carless, sawyer,  remarried to Ann Bate, widow, 25/9/1843 St. Martin, Birmingham.

Family seemed to to and fro between Wolverhampton and Birmingham.

Annette 

[littleem1906]

I was looking for Harriet's father in the 1851 census to see if there is a Thomas Carless living in Birmingham with the occupation 'bricklayer' (as is listed on Harriet's marriage certificate in 1850). There is one!

1851 - Bath Street
Thomas Carless - Head - 50 - Bricklayer - Stafford, Staffordshire
Sarah Carless - Wife - 45 - Stafford, Staffordshire
Henry Carless - Son - 23 - Bricklayer- Stafford, Staffordshire
Charles Carless - Son - 20 - Bricklayer - Stafford, Staffordshire
Hannah Carless - Daughter - 15 - Binder - Stafford, Staffordshire (could this be the Susannah Cross who is listed as a witness on Harriet's marriage certificate?)
George Carless - Son - 11 - Scholar - Stafford, Staffordshire
Edward Carless - Visitor - 77 - unmarried - Labourer - Stafford, Staffordshire
John Cooke - Visitor - 60 - widow - Labourer - Stafford, Staffordshire

Only trouble is, this family live in Bath Street and in 1850 (when Harriet married) she and her husband Joseph Parker are both listed as living in Lichfield Street (no house number given). In the 1851 census they live in Brewery Street. I wonder, were they living together in Lichfield Street unmarried in 1850? Or perhaps living with Joseph Parker's parents if they are the ones who lived in Lichfield Street? I haven't found his parents yet in census.

This family definitely look promising as I can't find another Thomas Carless living in 1851 with the bricklayer occupation. The fact that there is a 'Hannah' living there too makes me think she could be the 'Susannah' on Harriet's marriage certificate with a married name.

[littleem1906]

I've just spotted your reply Annette7. That looks promising indeed! Possibly moreso than the 1851 census I found for Thomas Carless!

[littleem1906]

The Thomas Carless that I found in the 1851 census I have now found in 1841. No Harriet living with that family so it looks like your one is more promising Annette7.

[Annette7]

Thomas Carless/Careless first married an Elizabeth Stean 30/5/1813 Wolverhampton? according to FindMyPast this was in Coventry, Warwickshire - (according to a tree on Ancestry - however, they have him born Stafford, wrong parents for him i.e. a John/Sarah when 1851 census states he was born Tettenhall and 2nd marriage gives father as a Walter).

Annette

[Annette7]

There are baptisms on familysearch in Staffordshire for a Catherine 1819, Jane 1822, William 1824, Thomas 1828, Elizabeth 1831 but nothing I can find for Harriet or Walter.  I'm sure there would have been others between 1813 and 1819.

Annette

Added - Mary bp.5/12/1815 Coventry