Birth in Armagh 1867 - BOYD

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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Victoria_Street_Great__part_of_/190279

In the above 1911 Census of Ireland it states Meta Sophia JACKSON is 35yrs making her birth year 1876. Yet, in 1889 when her son was born, she was 22 yrs making her birth year 1867 ( nine years of difference) a year out you can understand.

This is why getting her birth entry is so important as well as a marriage entry.

From the information I have - she had her son in Australia in 1889. So, she must have gone there in or, around 1889. Returned to Ireland at some stage as she is there in 1911 and states on the census she was a widow.

When did she go to Australia and, was she on her own?
When did she return to Ireland ?

Meta Sophia JACKSON  (widow) emigrated to Austraia on the  S.S. Mauretania 17 August 1918 from the UK.


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[gaffy]

... This is why getting her birth entry is so important as well as a marriage entry ....

I can find neither birth nor marriage (the marriage may not have been in Ireland), but for folks reading, it would be worth mentioning that her father was Robert Alexander Boyd, this was discovered in the previous thread (at reply #76), there is little if any doubt about that once one reads his will, for it mentions Margaret Sophia Jackson by name (Meta is a known Ulster variant for Margaret or Martha), her brother William and, critically, it gives Robert Alexander Boyd's address as 43 Wellesley Avenue, which ties in perfectly with the census and street directory information posted in this thread.

Folk can read the will here:
 
Probate of the Will of Robert Alexander Boyd (Senr.) late of Wellesley Avenue Belfast Peat Merchant who died 20 April 1908 granted at Belfast to William Boyd Manager.

http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx

The same reply (#76) in the other thread provided a findagrave reference for him with suggestions for his wife and children, while I can't stand by the accuracy of these, here is the reference anyway for information:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=144800197&ref=acom

[cupcake]

gaffy,

Firstly, many thanks for all the information and especially for breaking things down and explaining things to me. I will have to read things and, absorb more.

I didn't know Meta is a known Ulster variant for Margaret or Martha. Just a pity about her birth entry. Yes, she may have married in Australia but there are none on NSW BMD'S for Boyd or Jackson.

On Charles's death entry in Australia, it gives his father as William H Jackson.

I  am going to the library to look up on Ancestry for passenger ship lists.

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[aghadowey]

Going back to Meta's parents-

Robert Alexander Boyd married Fanny McLorninan in 1858-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZS-C36

Civil registration of births started in 1864 and I found 2 births in LDS extracted Irish births-
son (1865) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F55C-P88
Robert Alexander (1870) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPR4-ZG3
I also checked GRONI's database but found no other births.

Robert's Will (see above) mentions daughter 'Mrs Margaret Sophia Jackson' so Meta's proper name seems to have been Margaret.

I suspect that Meta was actually born before 1864 and kept lowering her age in various records. Certainly if she had gone back to nursing she wouldn't want to appear too old. Thereforre, the next place to check for her (and siblings born 1858-1863) would be baptism records (if they exist).

GRONI have a death for a Frances Boyd died 28 Sept.1899 (date on FindAGrave page) but age is 67 so either website is wrong of GRONI age mis-transcribed-
Frances Boyd, age 67, died 28 Sept.1899 Armagh district

[gaffy]

... GRONI have a death for a Frances Boyd died 28 Sept.1899 (date on FindAGrave page) but age is 67 so either website is wrong of GRONI age mis-transcribed- Frances Boyd, age 67, died 28 Sept.1899 Armagh district ...

The death notice the next day in the Belfast Newsletter (1899) says: "BOYD - September 28, at Palace View, Armagh, Frances, beloved wife of Robert A. Boyd..." with the funeral confirmed as taking place in St. Mark's Churchyard Armagh. 

This may be Robert in 1901 (albeit the age a bit out from the civil death record):

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Armagh_Town/Pallace_Row/1009965/

The house and building return shows that this was a relatively big house:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000377390/

[cupcake]

Thanks for the deaths details for Robert and his wife Frances.

Didn't find the ships passenger list for Meta/Margaret Sophia BOYD going to Australia in or around 1889. Also looked for her birth between 1860 and 1867 - no joy  . Have, however emailed a couple of places in Armagh, enquiring.

May just be one of these things I'll never know.

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[sue21757]

Have you seen this birth reg
12375/1889 in Newton NSW
Boyd Charles
no father recorded
mother Margaret S.
So she may come out from Ireland had the baby and said she was a widow going back to Ireland.

cheers Sue

[sue21757]

Someone on Ancestry has the Boyd family in their tree.
They have a birth for Margaret Sophia Boyd 1/8/1867. there seem to be 7 other children to this family. Some of them are buried at Saint Mark's Parish Church Cemetery Armagh. Margaret had a brother Louis Patrick boyd B-12/9/1865 and died in NSW 9/8/1922.

[cupcake]

Yes, I have seen this birth registration.

Yes, I agree with you and, that is why I had hoped to find out when she went to Australia and, did anyone go with her. Seems a long way to go to have a baby, though.

She may have married, as she was JACKSON when she emigrated to Australia in 1918 (widow).

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