Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?  (Read 4013 times)

Offline Willow 4873

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,985
  • 22nd July 2013
    • View Profile
Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?
« on: Thursday 23 July 15 14:41 BST (UK) »
For years I have been unable to find my GGGrandfather Alfred Hilton on the 1881 census
He was born 19.12.1839 in Wolverhampton to parents John and Ruth. He married Harriet Matthews (1845 – 1864) in 1861 then married her sister Emily (1851 – 1896) in 1867 (my GGranddad was born 13 days after the wedding)

Emily and the children are easy to find on the 1881 census but no sign of Alfred although I know he was buried in May of 1882

Then yesterday I found the following

30 Willoughby Street, West Derbyshire

John Smith 39 head b Wolverhampton lock maker
Elizabeth Smith 35 wife b Underhill Staffordshire (part of Wolverhampton)
Alfred Smith 13 son b Liverpool
John Smith 10 son b Liverpool
Fanny Smith 6 dau b Liverpool
Joseph Smith 5 son b Liverpool
Benjamin Smith 1 b Liverpool
Alfred WILTON 40 brother in law married b Wolverhampton lock maker

RG11/3702/138/55

I think this is my GGGrandfather but who are John and Elizabeth! There is a marriage 19.3.1865 at St Marys Wolverhampton between John Smith bachelor of Stafford Street locksmith (father John Smith locksmith) and Elizabeth Astley 19 spinster of Carribee Street (father William Astley boat loader) witnesses William and Fanny Astley that would fit this couple but how does that tie in with my family?

An ideas?

Willow x
Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and is for academic and non-commercial research purposes only<br /><br />Researching: Hilton (Wolverhampton & Tamworth) , Simkiss & Mears (Wolverhampton & ?) Bowkett & Nash (Ledbury & Wolverhampton) Knight & Beard (Gloucestershire), Colley (Tibberton) Hoggins (Willenhall) Jones (Bilston), Harris & Bourne (Droitwich) Matthews (Wolverhampton & High Offley) Partridge (Monmouthshire)<br /><br /

Offline Milliepede

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,283
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 July 15 15:15 BST (UK) »
Certainly looks like "wife's brother" on the census. 

Did Alfred have a sister Elizabeth or not that you know of?  And was that his trade?
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

Offline dionysus

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 262
    • View Profile
Re: Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 July 15 15:20 BST (UK) »
The 1881 census entry is clear - "wife's brother".  Assuming that is correct Elizabeth, must be Alfred's brother.  In 1851 there is one sister, Jane, age 4.  How much do you know about her?  Was she perhaps Jane Elizabeth?  Or maybe she just preferred Elizabeth - I have some examples of this in my tree.
Upton, Bishops Wood, Staffordshire.  Jones, Nant-yr-Ych, Aberhafesp, Montgomeryshire.  Evans, Kinnerley, Flintshire.  Dennis, Breedon-on-the-Hill, Leicestershire.  Brown, Red Lake, Wellington, Shropshire.

Offline Willow 4873

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,985
  • 22nd July 2013
    • View Profile
Re: Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 July 15 15:21 BST (UK) »
Alfred didn't as far as I am aware Harriet and Emily had a sister Elizabeth Ann but she died aged 2

Alfred was a locksmith all his life the same as his father

Willow x
Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and is for academic and non-commercial research purposes only<br /><br />Researching: Hilton (Wolverhampton & Tamworth) , Simkiss & Mears (Wolverhampton & ?) Bowkett & Nash (Ledbury & Wolverhampton) Knight & Beard (Gloucestershire), Colley (Tibberton) Hoggins (Willenhall) Jones (Bilston), Harris & Bourne (Droitwich) Matthews (Wolverhampton & High Offley) Partridge (Monmouthshire)<br /><br /

Offline Willow 4873

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,985
  • 22nd July 2013
    • View Profile
Re: Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 July 15 15:22 BST (UK) »
Jane married William French 21.11.1867 St Peters Wolverhampton

Willow x
Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and is for academic and non-commercial research purposes only<br /><br />Researching: Hilton (Wolverhampton & Tamworth) , Simkiss & Mears (Wolverhampton & ?) Bowkett & Nash (Ledbury & Wolverhampton) Knight & Beard (Gloucestershire), Colley (Tibberton) Hoggins (Willenhall) Jones (Bilston), Harris & Bourne (Droitwich) Matthews (Wolverhampton & High Offley) Partridge (Monmouthshire)<br /><br /

Offline Willow 4873

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,985
  • 22nd July 2013
    • View Profile
Re: Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 July 15 15:27 BST (UK) »
To make it easier here are his siblings I know about John Hilton married Ruth Peplow 3.4.1831 Sedgley

James 1842 - 1910 married Mary Jane Anastasia Mary Arthur 1864
Jane 1847 - 1895 married William French
Maria 1831 - 1884 married John Allport 1855
Francis 1844 - 1845
John 1837 - 1843
Ann 1834 - 1890 married Thomas Bradbury 1856
William 1852 - 1852

Willow x
Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and is for academic and non-commercial research purposes only<br /><br />Researching: Hilton (Wolverhampton & Tamworth) , Simkiss & Mears (Wolverhampton & ?) Bowkett & Nash (Ledbury & Wolverhampton) Knight & Beard (Gloucestershire), Colley (Tibberton) Hoggins (Willenhall) Jones (Bilston), Harris & Bourne (Droitwich) Matthews (Wolverhampton & High Offley) Partridge (Monmouthshire)<br /><br /

Offline suzard

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 23,197
    • View Profile
Re: Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 July 15 15:38 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Willow 4873 on Thursday 23 July 15 14:41 BST (UK)


Then yesterday I found the following

30 Willoughby Street, West Derbyshire

John Smith 39 head b Wolverhampton lock maker
Elizabeth Smith 35 wife b Underhill Staffordshire (part of Wolverhampton)
Alfred Smith 13 son b Liverpool
John Smith 10 son b Liverpool
Fanny Smith 6 dau b Liverpool
Joseph Smith 5 son b Liverpool
Benjamin Smith 1 b Liverpool
Alfred WILTON 40 brother in law married b Wolverhampton lock maker

RG11/3702/138/55







John Smith and family -and Alfred were living in Liverpool Lancs on 1881 census -not West Derbyshire - the registration district is West Derby - but it doesn't cover any area of Derbyshire -often confuses

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Willow 4873

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,985
  • 22nd July 2013
    • View Profile
Re: Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 23 July 15 15:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks Suz

Willow x
Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and is for academic and non-commercial research purposes only<br /><br />Researching: Hilton (Wolverhampton & Tamworth) , Simkiss & Mears (Wolverhampton & ?) Bowkett & Nash (Ledbury & Wolverhampton) Knight & Beard (Gloucestershire), Colley (Tibberton) Hoggins (Willenhall) Jones (Bilston), Harris & Bourne (Droitwich) Matthews (Wolverhampton & High Offley) Partridge (Monmouthshire)<br /><br /

Offline Willow 4873

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,985
  • 22nd July 2013
    • View Profile
Re: Help! Is this my GGGranddad and how do I prove it?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 23 July 15 15:51 BST (UK) »
Looking at the 1871 census

77 Edgeware Street Liverpool

John Smith 29 head b Wolverhampton locksmith
Betsy Smith 25 wife b Wolverhampton
Ellen Smith 5 dau b Wolverhampton
Alfred W Smith 3 son b Wolverhampton
John T Smith 6m b West Derby Lancs
John Biddle 38 lodger unmarried b Wolverhampton locksmith

RG10/3846/122/8

Willow x
Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and is for academic and non-commercial research purposes only<br /><br />Researching: Hilton (Wolverhampton & Tamworth) , Simkiss & Mears (Wolverhampton & ?) Bowkett & Nash (Ledbury & Wolverhampton) Knight & Beard (Gloucestershire), Colley (Tibberton) Hoggins (Willenhall) Jones (Bilston), Harris & Bourne (Droitwich) Matthews (Wolverhampton & High Offley) Partridge (Monmouthshire)<br /><br /
Pages: [1] 2