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Could someone puzzle out the parents and sponsors names?
« on: Thursday 23 July 15 20:32 BST (UK) »
Could some kind soul decipher the parents and sponsors names from the Baptism of Rosam (Rose?) Gilligan in Granard, Co. Longford in March 1830. It's the third entry from the bottom of page 93. The names look to have been Latinised.

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632422#page/93/mode/1up

My best try for the parents is Bernardi and Anne Reilly, or possibly Kelly, and sponsors Terentius (Terence?) Lynch and Maria  ?, and then the place name Granard.

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Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland: Gilligan/Wall/Meagher/Maher/Gray/O'Hara/Corroon (various spellings)
Bristol: Woodman/James/Derrick
Bristol/Somerset: Saunders/Wilmot
Gloucestershire:Woodman/Mathews/Tandy/Stinchcombe/Marten/Thompson
Wiltshire: Mathews
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Re: Could someone puzzle out the parents and sponsors names?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 July 15 20:40 BST (UK) »
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Bernardi and Anne Reilly, or possibly Kelly, and sponsors Terentius (Terence?) Lynch and Maria  ?,

Bernard & Anne Reilly, and sponsors Terence Lynch & Maria Mallen
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Re: Could someone puzzle out the parents and sponsors names?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 July 15 02:57 BST (UK) »
I would agree with Shaun about the names.
I think this is the baptism of a boy [fil] the girls appear to be 'filiam' so I can't say what his name is. It does look like Rosam though.
I have just noticed a Rosam Campbell above this one and that is filiam so very confusing.
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Re: Could someone puzzle out the parents and sponsors names?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 July 15 07:33 BST (UK) »
Hmm - Rosam doesn't seem to appear on any lists of names in Latin with their English equivalents that I can find.

I just looked at Qualls Concise English Grammar, it uses the word Rosam as an example for something which I don't really understand (missed out on grammar at school!) so not really any the wiser?

Maybe the priest or parish clerk wasn't too sure of himself either ......?
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland: Gilligan/Wall/Meagher/Maher/Gray/O'Hara/Corroon (various spellings)
Bristol: Woodman/James/Derrick
Bristol/Somerset: Saunders/Wilmot
Gloucestershire:Woodman/Mathews/Tandy/Stinchcombe/Marten/Thompson
Wiltshire: Mathews
Carmarthen: Thomas, Lewis
Australia: Mary Lewis, transportee, married Henry Brown - what happened to her?


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Re: Could someone puzzle out the parents and sponsors names?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 July 15 09:02 BST (UK) »
Is not the name ending governed by the case?

I see Catherinam and Brigidam higher up the page.  Considering that, it would be surprising not to be Rosam. :)
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Re: Could someone puzzle out the parents and sponsors names?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 July 15 09:13 BST (UK) »
The name would be Rose.

'Fil' is used as an abbreviation both for filium (son is filius) and filiam (daughter is filia).
As Geoff says the ending is governed by the case - accusative ends in 'um/am'  if I recall from long ago!
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Re: Could someone puzzle out the parents and sponsors names?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 July 15 09:17 BST (UK) »
Heywood beat me to it, almost word for word:

It's the accusative case. The child's english name would be Rose or Rosa.

"Fil" can be an abbreviation of either filium (son) or filiam (daughter)
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 24 July 15 09:53 BST (UK) »
It's coming back to me, Shaun! 50+ years ago with Sister Margarita!

Singular            Plural
Filia                   Filiae
Filia                   Filiae
Filiam                 Filias
Filiae                  Filiarum
 Filiae                 Filiabus
Filia                    Filiabus

Not too sure re 'abus' ending! My poor mother used to sit and check my vocabulary book - declining nouns and conjugating verbs and she hadn't a clue what I was doing!

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Re: Could someone puzzle out the parents and sponsors names?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 24 July 15 10:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you one and all for your valuable input and knowledge.

My education has been sadly lacking.

My comprehensive school did offer the opportunity to study Latin (and Greek), taught to individuals by the deputy head, but my father refused this for me on the grounds of it being a dead language and of no use. If only....
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland: Gilligan/Wall/Meagher/Maher/Gray/O'Hara/Corroon (various spellings)
Bristol: Woodman/James/Derrick
Bristol/Somerset: Saunders/Wilmot
Gloucestershire:Woodman/Mathews/Tandy/Stinchcombe/Marten/Thompson
Wiltshire: Mathews
Carmarthen: Thomas, Lewis
Australia: Mary Lewis, transportee, married Henry Brown - what happened to her?