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Maximillian BALLARD, 1700s
« on: Thursday 06 August 15 07:53 BST (UK) »
Maximillian BALLARD, was living in Cwmyoy, Monmouthshire from 1748
until his (probable) death in 1781. Before the baptism of his daughter in 1748
there is no sign of him in Monmouthshire. Maximillian seems to be a Ballard family name in Mancetter, Warwickshire in the 18th century and there is a baptism for a Maximillian
in Mancetter on 10 November 1723 (parents Talbot Ballard & Mary).

I have no firm evidence of Maximillian's wife's name, but two years after
his likely death, there is a record in Cwmyoy of the burial of Sophia BALLARD
widow, which makes me wonder (esp. as Ballard is very rare name in
Monmouthshire at that date).

Can anyone find a possible marriage of
Maximillian and Sophia around 1740-1747? Or baptisms for any children of Maximillian and Sophia?

Any help - or suggestions - very gratefully received.

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Re: Maximillian BALLARD, 1700s
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 August 15 11:29 BST (UK) »
Can't see a marriage, however there is some BMD for Ballard in Cymyoy from 1772-1848.
This is on FindMyPast so it may be worth having a look at the originals & see if you can put a family together.
I think your right in believing he's from Mancetter as Maximillian seems to be a family name there.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Maximillian BALLARD, 1700s
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 August 15 12:11 BST (UK) »
Hello
I can't find a marriage either but it does seem that the Ballards of Mancetter have left by 1744.(the last entry I can see in the parish records.
While I've found the records for them I just though I'd add them in case you may have missed anything.
Mancetter from 1670 onwards to 1800

So Maximillian Ballard s of Maximillian bapt 13.10.1670
Marie 4.2.1686-4.3.1687 ,Elizabeth 19.1.1687,Ann 19.6.1690,Talbot 29.11.1693 and daughter Darngold 17.11.1699 children of Maximillian and Ann nee Brown married 11.5.1686.
Burials Maximillian 28.11.1700 and 3.2.1725
Ann 1.6.1720
Talbot married Mary Fox 28.11.1717 burials 7.4.1731 and Mary widow 7.10.1744
Children William 16.10.1720-21.6.1722,Max 10.11.1723 ,Mark 7.8.1726
There is another possible daughter Ann baptised at St Mary's Hinckley 9.10.1718 d of Talbot Ballard.


There is also another burial for a Mary Ballard 24.10.1742.
John Ballard 18.12 1685 buried

William s of Johnathon and Mary bapt 7.8.1738
Diana d of Jona and Sarah 17.4.1741
John and Elizabeth twins of Johnathon and Mary 5.3.1741/2

Elizabeth Ballard of Mancetter married Joshua Wood of Atherstone 11.4.1699
Elizabeth Ballard and Thomas Jacobs 28.5.1709

There is also a 1674 entry on the Heath tax for a Maximillian  Ballard of Atherstone.

Mancetter is a bit of a boarder area and Max could easily have married over the boarder in Leicestershire.Leciestershire is not well represented on line so perhaps contacted the family history society there might help.

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Re: Maximillian BALLARD, 1700s
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 August 15 02:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Jim and Ciderdrinker

I think I have the Cwmyoy records from 1748 mostly covered. 

Thanks very much for the list of Mancetter BALLARD records most of which I have but you have tidied them up nicely for me and I didn't have the Heath Tax (what is it?).  I'm in the process of going through the images for Mancetter as some of them are VERY difficult to read and I believe there may be more BALLARDs hidden away there!

Some of the Cwmyoy BALLARDs were millers - I wonder what occupation/s the Mancetter family had, although it's probably not relevant because, as you say, they seem to have gone from Mancetter by the mid1700s.

Thank goodness for the family forenames of Maximilian and Talbot.  I should never have had a chance of finding them with the distance between Cwmyoy and Mancetter.  :D ;D  :(  Will also have a hunt in Leicester.

Once again, thank you both.


DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Maximillian BALLARD, 1700s
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 August 15 11:39 BST (UK) »
What Ciderdrinker meant to say was Hearth Tax which was levied on how many hearths a property had.
It only lasted for about 30 years from the mid-late 17th.C.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Maximillian BALLARD, 1700s
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 August 15 13:42 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Jim - makes sense now.

Ciderdrinker, can you tell me the source for the Hearth Tax info - did maximillian live in a dwelling with many hearths ??

I have now found some references in Lichfield so will have a good hunt tomorrow.

Cheers, Judith
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Maximillian BALLARD, 1700s
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 August 15 14:39 BST (UK) »
In order to qualify a house occupier had to have more than 2 including a stove.
He was taxed on 1 so had 3 including a stove.
You'll find them on Ancestry.
It was a very unpopular tax, more so than most as the home owners didn't pay it.
So the landed gentry only had to pay for the house they were occupying & not the houses they owned & getting rent for.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Maximillian BALLARD, 1700s
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 August 15 01:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks again, Jim. I'll have a look at the Ancestry record.

I've found some Maximilian BALLARDs in the 1600s in Lichfield.  As I said it's such an unusual name that I am thinking they may well be related - certainly more likely than the plethora of William BALLARDs who pop up all over the place.  Judith
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Maximillian BALLARD, 1700s
« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 January 16 12:03 GMT (UK) »
Just a little tidy-up.

I mentioned that I was unsure whether Sophia was actually the wife/partner of Maximilian BALLARD but I now have two mentions of her which confirm that, so I'm 99.9% satisfied that they were together.

The record of baptism of their 3rd child, Mary BALLARD on 25 April 1752 at Cwmyoy, states that Mary is the daughter of Maxilian BALLARD and Sophia.

Administration of the estate of a Sophia BALLARD, died 1783, is given to her 'eldest son, William BALLARD, yeoman of Cwmyoy'.  This fits with the known children of Maximilian.

Judith

DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
"Time present and time past are both perhaps present in time future..." T S Eliot

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