Death - Mary ALLEN - Btw 1851 and 1863

[richredwood]

Any suggestions on the below would be most welcome.

I'm looking for the death of a Mary ALLEN [bap Sidmouth, Devon 1807] who seems to have died btw 27 July 1851 and 1863, likely in the Camberwell / Newington area.

She appears in the 1841 census in Camberwell.
She appears in the 1851 census in Newington.
I cannot find her or indeed most of her children in the 1861 census.
By the 1871 census, her estranged husband is stated as being a widower.
In 1863, Mary's "lover" [whom she left her husband for] has had a child with her daughter [by the lawful husband] in Croydon.

Working on the balance of probability, I've found 15 or so death index records for Lambeth, Newington, Camberwell and Croydon RDs for the period concerned and I've eliminated a few through the burial records on Ancestry / Deceased Online but am no closer to establishing which might be her death. Would anyone have any pointers?

Much appreciated

[jennifer c]

Was her husbands James a cow keeper?

Jennifer

[richredwood]

The husband was William Allen, a Butler. He's not with her in any of the censuses.

[jennifer c]

Who were the children and their ages on the census with her?

Jennifer

[richredwood]

Hi Jennifer,

I sent you a PM. Not sure if you got it?

Richard

[rosie99]

The 1851 census gives her age as 34 which would give a year of birth as c1817 

In answer to your question Jennifer and for the benefit of anyone else looking at this post the children in 1851 are
Thos Allen   17
Emily 15
Charles 14
Fanny 9
George 4
Mary 2
all born Camberwell

[dawnsh]

Hi Richard

Unless the information requested is about living people or you wish to exchange email addresses off-forum, there is no need for Rootschatters to send information on the personal message system.

If there is info to share, please post it openly so that we can all see what is known or has been found, others will then be happier to contribute and may have further things to add. Chatters here have access to all sorts of resources and may be put off posting if they think it has all been done already, behind the scenes.

Dawn

[richredwood]

No worries, on the contrary, happy to share. Details are as follows:

In the 1841 census, the details are HO107, Piece = 1050, Book/Folio = 5/12, Page 16
In the 1851 census, the details are HO107, Piece = 1567, Book/Folio = 360, Page 29

Mary Allen nee Baron [sometimes stated as Barnes] first had an illegitimate child called Jane [father unknown but baptised in Sidmouth] before she got married to William Allen [in Bath].

By William Allen she had the children: Thomas Baron [bap. 1832], Emily [bap. 1836], Charles [1837], Isabella [1839], and Frances [1841].

By George Sinden [present twice on the above 1851 census], she had William George [1847], Mary Jane [1849] and Henry Augustus [1851].

George later had a child by his "stepdaughter" Emily in 1863 and then married her in 1870.

I think she was probably baptised in 1807.

Richard