Susan Harriet Everett information please

[avm228]

Most likely death then for Robert's first wife is this:

Death, Sep qtr 1890

Ellen Mary Matthews aged 43, Richmond 2a 203

She was Mary/Mary E. or Mary Ellen in the children's baptisms, but there's no likely death showing the names that way around.

[avm228]

Then possible deaths in Richmond district (covering Barnes) for Robert & Susan very close together:

Sep qtr 1904: Robert Matthews aged 64
Dec qtr 1904: Susan Matthews aged 39 (which may or may not be connected with the birth & death of a Lily Matthews in the same quarter).

[Ssherratt]

This is all great. I need some time to process and check the certificates etc we have.
Thank you.
Be back when I can answer your questions and agree/disagree listings.

[Ssherratt]

The 1891 and 1901 lists all fit for us.
I think the tale may be that Susan Renshaw arrives with the 2year old Susan Harriet in to the Matthews household after the death of Roberts first wife Mary Ellen/EM. There is a young daughter in the house called Rose (looks like just a 6 month difference).
I have played with the idea that Susan Harriet was a child of the older Matthews daughter but ...
Oral history has a story that Susan H asked at her weeding if she should give her name as Renshaw but was told by the vicar to use the name she was known by!
Any further evidence of SH before the 1911 census would be great. Her birth cert says father Unknown.
Perhaps a puzzle that will be left unsolved.

[Samantha Axbey]

Maud Harriet Rozier was my great grandmother and I am very interested to find out how she was related to Robert and Susan Matthews, whom she and her sister Lucy stayed with after their mother died in 1899. I have searched their father's family (Charles Rozier, son of Stephen and Harriet Jenner) and their mother’s family (Lucy Louisa Clough, daughter of Robert and Lucy) but I can find no trace of Matthews. Any help gratefully received , thank you!

[avm228]

Welcome to Rootschat, Samantha

So to summarise where we got to:

Susan Renshaw had an illegitimate daughter Susan Harriet Renshaw registered Sep qtr 1888 Pancras.   

Susan snr seems to have been in service in Barnes by 1891, and got together with widower Robert Matthews whose wife Mary had died in 1890.  Together they had at least two further children:

Charles Alfred Mathews, mother’s maiden name Renshaw, Jun qtr 1892 Richmond
Robert James Matthews, mother’s maiden name Renshaw, Dec qtr 1894 Richmond

The blended family in 1901 doesn’t apparently include Susan junior but does include:

- Children of Robert’s first marriage down to Rose Eliza Matthews mmn Brown, Mar qtr 1888 Richmond
- Nelly Matthews (12) and William Matthews (11) - parentage unclear (could Nelly be Susan Harriet?)
- The Matthews/Renshaw boys “Alfred” and Robert
- “Nieces” Maud and Lucy Rozier (but no family link yet identified)

[avm228]

There must be a possibility I think that the Rozier girls were not related at all to the Matthews/Renshaw clan, but their father Charles Rozier knew Robert Matthews by being in the same line of work and that is how a connection was first established.

[Ssherratt]

Thanks for picking up the thread again.
We agree that Robert and Charles were probably just work acquaintances (Whitechapel Bell Foundry?)

Robert Matthews lived with Susan as you know from the 1901 census where Lucy and your Maud are in the household but we can’t explain the listing as nieces.
We also know that Harriet Rozier (a suffragette) was my grandmothers godmother.

In Susan Harriet and Edgar George Everett’s wedding photo Charles Alfred is pictured. He was a witness and their best man. He was later killed in action at Highwoods and is listed on the Thiepval memorial. We would be happy to share the photo if you are interested.

If more anecdotal information is discovered about the links between the families we would be pleased to hear more.

We have loads of names in our story that can’t be tied in. Perhaps hiding truth behind convenient tales. Do the names Albert and Queenie Barnes mean anything to you? There was always a disagreement about whether they were ‘family’ or not!