The Clark Family

[Pheno]

Hi, following on from this previous post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/census-lookups/  I am seeking clarification on the Clark family.

Sarah Clark married my ancestor George Vinten in 1846 in Deptford. Her age is simply 'full' and her father is William Clark (doesn't say he is deceased), a wheelwright.

On almost all census returns from 1861 until her death, her birthplace is given as Middlesex. In 1861 and 1891, her given age puts her year of birth as 1824. Similarly, her given age at the time of her death, in September 1891, also indicates a birth year of 1824. For some reason, her birth year according to the 1871 census return is 1815 and in 1881 it is 1829 - but I think they are anomalies.

I haven't been able to find Sarah in either the 1841 or 1851 censuses. Up until a few days ago, I hadn't been able to find a likely baptism either - although I now believe it took place on 29/2/1824 in St George in the East. That Sarah was born on 8/1/1824 and the parents are given as William Clark (a wheelwright) and wife Elizabeth. The link to the baptism is here: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=lmabirths&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=sarah&gsfn_x=0&gsln=clark&gsln_x=NP_NN_NS&MSAV=1&msbdy=1824&msbpn__ftp=middlesex&_83004003-n_xcl=m&cpxt=1&cp=11&catbucket=r&uidh=3v3&pcat=BMD_BIRTH&fh=3&h=5069492&recoff=10+11+32+44&ml_rpos=4

The same couple have a daughter Ann, baptised on 17/9/1826. William is still a wheelwright.

As mentioned, I believe these Sarahs are one and the same - and, for what it's worth, Ancestry links the baptism record to census returns for Sarah Vinten in later years. So I would like to trace Sarah further back, but I can't find any of the family in the 1841 or 1851 censuses. Sarah was married at the time of the 1851 census, with three children. The youngest, Emily Sarah Vinten, who is my direct ancestor, was only born a few months before on 1/1/1851. Neither Sarah nor daughter Emily are with Sarah's husband and other children (transcribed as VINTON,  HO107/1606/ 225 p 2).

I'd be grateful if someone could help me locate Sarah in the 1851 and 1841 censuses.

Thanks,
Pheno

[Dundee]

....and, for what it's worth, Ancestry links the baptism record to census returns for Sarah Vinten in later years.
Thanks,
Pheno

That is only because people with family trees on Ancestry have tagged it as a source.

Debra 

[keyboard86]

Hi re Sarah in 1851, the children are with both parents at different addresses:-

George Vinten 43 occ Gardener b Orpington
Hannah E 4 b Keston
William G 2 b Keston
Ann 23 Niece b Sydenham
Census Ref HO107/1606/225/2

Sarah VINTON 26 Married occ Charwoman b London, Middlesex
Emily L 3 months b Keston
Working for a Frederick Fenton and family in Lambeth
Census Ref HO107/1581/47/18

1861 you have says she is born Whitechapel

Their is this possible family in 1851?

William Clark 45 occ Wheelwright b St George Surrey
Eliza 31 b Bristol ( although possibly a later marriage for William)?
John 11 b Lambeth
Residing at St Mary, Whitechapel
Census Ref HO107/1545/103/1
Keyboard86

[Pheno]

Thanks for your comments.

Debra - I didn't know that was how Ancestry decided which records to link! I'd always wondered....

Keyboard86 - thank you so much for finding Sarah & Emily in 1851. They were transcribed as BRITON in Ancestry, but it's definitely them.

And I've got a good feeling about the other family, too. Certainly he seems to be the only William Clark who was a wheelwright (well, probably not but it feels like I trawled through every single William Clark on Ancestry!). I'll try to find them in 1841.

Thank you!
Pheno

[jomcd967]

Hi Pheno,
Not sure if the following helps or hinders?

Baptism 15 Sep 1822 - Whitechapel St Mary
Ann Clark, d/o William and Elizabeth, wheelwright, Church Lane

1841 - Ellis Street, Chelsea
William Clarke, 30, wheelwright, born in county

1851 - 5 Caroline Court, Whitechapel
William Clark, 45, wheelwright, St George Southwark Surrey
Eliza Clark, 31, wife, Bristol
John Clark, son, Lambeth Surrey

1861 - 63 Vauxhall Walk Lambeth
William Clark, 49, Coach wheelwright, Lambeth
Mary Ann Clark, 47, wife, Mardon Kent
William E Clark, 19, wheelwright, St Giles Middlesex

1871 - 63 Vauxhall Walk Lambeth
William Clark, 37, wheelwright, Westminster
Marianne Clark, 37, wife, Margate Kent
William E Clark, 22, Carriage maker, Bloomsbury Middlesex

1871 - Ipswich Union Workhouse
William Clark, 69, wheelwright, London

1861 - Old Bridge St, Kingston Surrey
William Clark, 57, lodger, wheelwright, Lambeth Surrey
Eliza Clark, 47, wife, London
Mary Clark, 23, daughter, London

Jo 

[jomcd967]

Well, can rule out the William and Marianne family, found them in 1851 and the ages on the 1871 are more accurate, so too young to be father to Sarah.
Jo 

[jomcd967]

Witnesses at Sarah's marriage are James Leach and Louisa Mace Downey and a Louisa Mace Leach married a John Downey in 1838, Newton abbot Devon.
Jo 

[Pheno]

Hi Jo,

Many thanks for your reply, and sincere apologies for the delayed acknowledgement.

I'm sure that Ann (bp 15/9/1822) is a daughter of the same parents - although she must have died, as they baptised another Ann in 1826.

I have found a marriage of a William Clark to an Elizabeth Dunn on 18/11/1821 in Whitechapel, and I believe they are the same William and Elizabeth Clark who subsequently baptise daughters Ann, Sarah and Ann.

An Elizabeth Dunn is baptised 1/3/1789 in St James, Westminster to William and Sarah Dunn. I've no evidence to link this Elizabeth with the Elizabeth who later marries William Clark.....it's just a possibility. However I do think the birth year is about right, for a couple who marry in 1821. Certainly any William's born after 1800 seem too young to have a child baptised in 1822?

Does that effectively rule out all of the William Clark's you helpfully found, other than the one who is living in the Ipswich Union Workhouse in 1871?!

Many thanks again for your help!
Pheno