Burial with no death certificate

[california dreamin]

John O'Donnell (57) informant was his wife Ann

The other one John Owen O'Donnell aged 49...no not that far off. I guess it is because of the middle name thing.  I can buy it then we'll know.  As I said this is really last throw of the dice.  It's just not adding up now.

[Rosinish]

To be honest cd,

I had a man I searched for yrs & was put off by a middle name which turned out to be him.........
the only one left 

Annie

[california dreamin]

Hi Annie

Just purchased - nope   

[Rosinish]

Oh dear..........

Something strange going on. He surely has to be there but what other name if John was his middle name.

Clue.......was the son his only child as he was possibly named after himself if not John?

Annie

[california dreamin]

No, the son is not John.  Herein lies another problem for this family.  I have determined that John and his wife had 6 children.  I have found 5.  So I do not know if the missing child was boy or girl, first, middle or last.  However, within the family none of this mob have middle names.  However, perhaps I need to try a fuzzy search on Donnelly with no first name specified and see what turns up?

[Rosinish]

Well, it's really a last resort but I would think one of his sons would have been named after himself possibly. 2 would be after their grandfathers so you can probably eliminate those 1st?

Annie

ADDED.........John (or whatever name) may have been named after his own father?

[groom]

Well, it's really a last resort but I would think one of his sons would have been named after himself possibly. 2 would be after their grandfathers so you can probably eliminate those 1st?

Annie

ADDED.........John (or whatever name) may have been named after his own father?

What about naming patterns, do they help? http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cregan/patterns.htm

[california dreamin]

This is the one of the problems I have been having as I have also been trying to work out who John's father is.  Without knowing if the missing child is a boy or a girl and which order they would have been placed. I can't really figure out any naming pattern.

I also cannot find anything out about John's wife - and I do mean nothing.  So don't know what her father was called. 

Just for the record I have no birth or baptism on John as it was pre-civil reg. in NI.  No baptism either.  I can't find a marriage and finally no death.  I'm batting 0/0 for this man.   

[Rosinish]

Was the son who was in Glasgow, the only member of the family living in Scotland at anytime or were the whole family here at some stage?

Annie