Pennsylvania look up please

[mallow]

Hi Look up census of 1900 for Spangler Cambria Pennsylvania for Alfred G Allsopp
Looking for name of head of Household. Thank you

[Chattykathy]

Still don't have this guy sorted out??

1900 Spangler, Cambria Co., PA
Samuel Daft Head b. 1855 in Eng
Wife Martha Daft b. 1850 Eng
Step son Alfred G. Allsopp b. 1883 in PA
Step son Charles Allsopp b. 1886 in PA
Dau Martha Daft b. 1893 in PA
Dau Sarah Daft b. 1895 in PA

Page very difficult to read.  Couldn’t determine immigration years for Samuel and Martha or Samuel’s profession.  If you are still interested, will check 1910.

kathy

[grub]

hi mallow

1900 US census, PA, Cambria, Spangler Township
Roll T623, 1387, Book 2, Page 15/110A, ED 102

DAFT, Samuel, Head, b Mar 1855, 45, England, Parents b Eng.
          to USA in 1882, married 12 years, Occup: Miner
        
          Martha, Wife, b Dec 1850, 49, b England, Parents b Eng.
          to USA in 1870, married 12 years, other to 2 children
          both living.

          Martha, dtr, b Apr 1893, 7, PA, parents born England
          
          Sarah, dtr, b Dec 1894, 5, PA, parents born England

ALLSOPP
Alfred G, stepson, b Apr 1883, 17, PA, parents born England,miner

Charles, stepson, b July 1885, 14, PA, parents born England.
miner.

Hope this helps
Valerie

[mallow]

Hi Cathy , When I left you  I went to "Seattle" site, looking for Census they gave me 1930 same as you did,  but they tracked him back to here in 1900 and said that this is him. I don't recognise name of Household as related to any Family but as I could not find him or his brother Frederick Charles on 1901 Census maybe it is them Alfred G is listed as miner (How about Gold Mine)? what do you think. maybe I could look at 1910 to see who is there Alfred G is in San Francisco

[Chattykathy]

Hi mallow ---  Well certainly no gold in PA  --  was most likely coal!!

I'm not following how you got from the 1930 Seattle Census backwards 30 years to this guy in PA.   This was someones findings on the board where you posted for Seattle genealogy?

Your Alfred was b. in England   --  this Alfred and his brother Charles were b. in Pennsylvania and the year is about 4 off from what we found about Alfred history in England.

ARe you considering that you are now that far afield from your original theory?

So how did we move from the Electrical/Telephone installer/Janitor in SEattle (or Boston)  to this guy in PA who was probably born and died (of black lung!) a miner!

I'll go look for 1910 in PA and see what happens to him.  Drat no 1890 so see if Martha m. to  Allsopp.  1880 is probably too early for that marriage to have ocurred.

Quite frankly not sure how the son of trademen/butchers in England get to be stepson @ 17 in PA of a miner?

kathy

[Chattykathy]

mallow,

1910

Alfred G. Allsopp   -- only one was the one in SF   --  searched only by name and bd  - no birthplace, no specific location  --  but then so much varying data on him --  if he’s not where he is expected to be or name misspelled, bd off, PA vs Eng ---  would be easy to miss him.

Did not find Charles Allsopp  -- searched same as above with very loose parameters.

Samuel Daft – not found
Martha Daft (Mother)  Inmate at the State Institution for Feeble Minded of Western Pennsylvania in Verango Co., Polkboro, PA   Age 59  Married b. in Eng  F/M: England

Martha Daft (dau) Servant in household of Nicholas Russell in Barnesboro Cambria Co., PA

Did not find Sarah Daft b. in PA   so maybe married??

Found Sarah Daft 16  and Mary Daft  16  in Huttonville,, Randolph Co., WV  both servants in private households 2 doors from each other.  Both born in WV and both parents b. in WV  so don't think connected.

South Fork Boro Cambria Co, PA
Henry Allsopp  24 <1886> Single b. in Eng  F/M: Eng 
Coal Miner   Boarder in Household of
Hershel Roberts  b. in PA
Wife Etta b. in PA  F: Eng  M: PA
Sons Eugene 3 and Raymond 1yr 3 mos.  both b. in PA


Croyle Twnsp, Cambria Co., PA
Edward Allsopp 35 <1875> b. in PA  F/M: Eng   
M….?? Driver in Coal Mine
Wife Effie  33 b. in PA  F: PA  M: NY
Sarah 13
Nellie 11
Julia 10
Edward 1
Heitrick, James 13  step son
Heitrick Irvin 11     step son
Heitrick Minnie 10 step dau
All above children b. in PA

kathy

[mallow]

Hi Cathy,  So as not to confuse the issue, can I please start again at site for Gold Rush, where you suggested that I try to Google for King County, which I did and I put up request for Census, and as I said, they sent me by e-mail the Census working back from 1930 to 1891 in Salt and Enson in England where George was born.  Now as you know there are missing years between 1891 and 1906 when he arrived in San Francisco from NZ.  15 years when he could have gotten himself anywhere, and as I could not find (Frederick Charles )who was known as Charles I just thought maybe I probably should dismiss this 1900 census but I also noticed a Henry which is another brothers name( age stacks up) Perhaps they were all related or Allsopps just give all their children same names.  As poor Martha was feeble minded maybe she thought they were her Stepchildren, or did not know what to call them, I am trying to track her to see if possible relation. all I can say is thanks Cathy for  being so patient with all your help.

[Chattykathy]

mallow, sorry to say, completely at a loss with your search.  Anything is possible --  I suppose some things are just MORE possible than others!!   

I don't think I ever mentioned the Gold Rush in the same breath with King Co., WA --  did I??   In the very beginning I did mention that the "Gold Rush"  isn't necessarily a specific event but a period of time spanning 50+ years  and Liverpool Annie told you that the California Gold Rush where people raced to the secure claims occurred in 1850's  ---  so not sure where we are restarting at.  I did say to google for King Co. genealogy sites and someone else on your previous thread gave the Rootsweb Board for King Co.

So it could certainly be that
1.  Alfred with wife Susan, dau Mary in SF
2.  Alfred with a possible wife Clara in Seattle
are 2 separate people 

SF Alfred having come via NZ in 1906
Seattle Alfred via the Coal Mines and step family in PA. 
And maybe mother Martha was crazy enough not to know where her children were born.

How do you figure Martha and the Allsopp children came to be in PA?  Who did she marry to become Allsopp?  I thought Alfred's parents were Alfred Thomas Allsopp and Ann Catherine nee Williams of Stafford --  and I totally missed the part about Alfred having brothers Charles and Henry MIA as well!

And then you have the Death Cert for Seattle Alfred which you said fit to all that you knew about him, right? 

Are you familiar with Occums Razor --  it's a principle (scientific?) that all things being equal, the simpliest answer is the correct one ---  I'm simplifying greatly! LOL

So I am going to leave you to it!  Good Luck and hope at some point you finally arrive at a comfortable fit for the life of your Mr. Allsopp.

kathy

[Chattykathy]

mallow,

1880 Clearfield Co., Woodward, PA
John Allsopp  34 <1846> b. in Eng  F/M: Eng  Mining Coal
Martha - wife 30 <1850> b. in Eng  F/M: Eng
Emily dau 1 <1879> b. in PA


Ships Passenger List
"Algeria"
Dep:  Liverpool/Queensland
Arr:  May 8. 1873 at Port of New York
John Allsop (actual)  Transcribed as "Alsop" age 26 b. Eng Profession: Miner
Martha Allsop - wife  Age 22
Traveling in Steerage

Think this must prove something --  but not sure what?!

kathy