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Re: More help with Handwriting on will dated 1558
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 05 November 15 12:20 GMT (UK) »
I have done most of the three and a half lines beginning after the section on the hooks (hokkes) and the plows.  Parts of the first half of that line remain elusive.

Note that I have transcribed the thorn as th for clarity.

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...& All thynges th(a)t th(er)to belong w(i)th horse
gere & harrows & all oth(er) thynges belongyng to usbandrye w(i)t(h) A g(re)te brasse potte
Itm I wyll th(a)t th(er)e be disposed att my buryall to ev(er)ye one off my neburs [= neighbours] th(a)t [doythe?]
[off(er)?] w(i)t(h) my bodye a halfpenye [losse?] [? on the superscript interlining here] & to oth(er) poer people breade & dry(n)ke

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Re: More help with Handwriting on will dated 1558
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 05 November 15 14:41 GMT (UK) »
Here is the section following what I posted earlier.

...Itm I
gyffe to Wyllm my son(n)e the occupac(i)on off halfe off my [?] to begyne at
mychaelmas next comyng & the seyde Wyllm to have h(i)s p(ar)te w(i)t(h) my oth(er) chyld
the sayme yere

The missing word isn't written freehold.  It's f?molde, maybe f(re)molde meaning freehold?  I'm not sure.

ADDED:  Perhaps more likely is f(ar)molde, meaning farmhold.

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Re: More help with Handwriting on will dated 1558
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 05 November 15 15:51 GMT (UK) »
Last from me for the night.  It follows my previous.

...And also I wyll th(a)t the [sayme?] Wyllm to ent(er) att the hole f(ar)molde att
[?mas] come a twelmonthe...


The missing word is one of the Saints or Feast days, but I can't make out the first part of the word.

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Re: More help with Handwriting on will dated 1558
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 05 November 15 16:21 GMT (UK) »
one of the Saints or Feast days ... 

M(ar)ty(n)mas

End of line [16] as numbered above ... chyld(er) (= children)

Last half of last line ... It(e)m I gyffe to Rob(er)t Reydschawe the Vycar off Usburne


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Re: More help with Handwriting on will dated 1558
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 05 November 15 20:13 GMT (UK) »
Again thank you both very much for the transcriptions.
Must admit I wondered whether it could be f(ar)mholde but never heard of that so thought freeholde was more likely. Good to get another view because
 I have now found Farmeholde or Farm holde in old wills on google around the same period.

Going back to this one - quote
[...Itm I gyffe to m(ar)gret my
daught(er) ij buschelles off Rye one this yere & Anoth(er) next yere & iij [?] at [?] ]


I wondered if the word at the end after 'at' could be 'Lamas'.

Grateful for your input as it is also helping me look at the words & writing differently.

Judy


CUMBERLAND  Armstrong Little Nixon Richardson Pearson Watson Braithwaite
WESTMORLAND  Richardson Dent Nicholson Hanson Kersey Smith Heigh
DURHAM Reed Smith Reay Hammond Metcalf Bell
Thompson Armstrong Branford Parkin Heaton Oates
NORTHUMB'LAND Nixon Johnson Armstrong Branford Thompson
DUMFRIES Armstrong Bell Halliday Little Carruthers Johnstone
YORKS Richardson Branford Siddle
ROXBURGH Jackson Elliot Armstrong Scott
FIFE Adamson Gosman Brown
AUSTRALIA Richardson Dent Hanson Kersey

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Re: More help with Handwriting on will dated 1558
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 05 November 15 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Going back to this one - quote
[...Itm I gyffe to m(ar)gret my
daught(er) ij buschelles off Rye one this yere & Anoth(er) next yere & iij [?] at [?] ]


I wondered if the word at the end after 'at' could be 'Lamas'.

Sorry, but I still think it's ... iij q(ua)rt(er)s of lyn(n)e(n)
cloythe
(reply #5 above).

As I see it, the word after iij is written q, long r, contraction above (including an a), t, suspended er, s.

The next word begins with a slightly squashed o (not a, compare other examples of of and off below). The second letter descends below the 'line', is crossed through, and is surely f; comparison shows that the letter t is usually much shorter.

The last word on the line is l, y (with a faint tail), n, e, with a contraction (or two) over the y and n. The contraction is likely to be a missing n (or two), hence lyn(n)e(n) seems feasible.

The first word on the next line is c, l, o, y, and it ends h, e. Before the h seems to be t or cCloythe is found as a variant spelling of cloth.

Just my opinion. Others may see it differently.  :)

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Re: More help with Handwriting on will dated 1558
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 05 November 15 21:12 GMT (UK) »
I bow to your greater knowledge Bookbox.

Thank you for explaining your reasoning and looking at it in that light then I agree with you.

Many thanks.  :)

Judy
CUMBERLAND  Armstrong Little Nixon Richardson Pearson Watson Braithwaite
WESTMORLAND  Richardson Dent Nicholson Hanson Kersey Smith Heigh
DURHAM Reed Smith Reay Hammond Metcalf Bell
Thompson Armstrong Branford Parkin Heaton Oates
NORTHUMB'LAND Nixon Johnson Armstrong Branford Thompson
DUMFRIES Armstrong Bell Halliday Little Carruthers Johnstone
YORKS Richardson Branford Siddle
ROXBURGH Jackson Elliot Armstrong Scott
FIFE Adamson Gosman Brown
AUSTRALIA Richardson Dent Hanson Kersey

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Re: More help with Handwriting on will dated 1558
« Reply #16 on: Friday 06 November 15 02:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for Martynmas, Bookbox.  I see it now - the same M as in Margret in the first extract.

Returning to the missed half line at the beginning:

   ...It(e)m I gyffe Wyll(ya)m my son(n)e my
wane w(i)th hokkes & [?] plewe & plewgere...


The missing word begins t-e-y-n.

Judy, the spelling here suggests that plewed from your other post did mean plowed.

ADDED:  Possibly ...teynes plewe... meaning a plow with tines.

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Re: More help with Handwriting on will dated 1558
« Reply #17 on: Friday 06 November 15 10:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Horselydown,
Yes I think that is it - a teyene plewe. Being from a farming background that sounds very reasonable and usefull.
Yes felt fairly sure that plewe meant plough. Now 100% on that.

Thank you.

Judy
CUMBERLAND  Armstrong Little Nixon Richardson Pearson Watson Braithwaite
WESTMORLAND  Richardson Dent Nicholson Hanson Kersey Smith Heigh
DURHAM Reed Smith Reay Hammond Metcalf Bell
Thompson Armstrong Branford Parkin Heaton Oates
NORTHUMB'LAND Nixon Johnson Armstrong Branford Thompson
DUMFRIES Armstrong Bell Halliday Little Carruthers Johnstone
YORKS Richardson Branford Siddle
ROXBURGH Jackson Elliot Armstrong Scott
FIFE Adamson Gosman Brown
AUSTRALIA Richardson Dent Hanson Kersey