King, 1851 Census lookup & 2 Sons Missing!

[DavidJP]

Hi all,

Trying to sort out how many children a relative had & needing a little help.

My 4x gt uncle Robert King (1808-1883) married Olive Johnson (1814/15-1895) on 26th Feb 1835 in Ringwood, Hampshire. As things stand it looks like they had 9 or 10 children but not sure. What I have at present is as follows:

John King (1835/36-1900) Married Susanna Cutler in 1859
Mary King (1837-?) Last seen in Poole, Dorset in 1861 aged 23. (Baptised 9th July 1837, Ringwood)
Sarah King (1839-1890) Married Samuel Boucher in 1862. (Baptised 9th Oct 1839, Ringwood)
George King (1843-After 1911?) Married Sarah A ? around 1871-74.
Charles King (1846-1891) Married Elizabeth ? around 1864-69.
Samuel King (1848-1899) Married Harriet Compton in 1876.
Caroline King (1851-1924) Married John Charles Oates in 1881.
James King (1851-?) Caroline & James have the same birth index refs, is James Robert & Olives?
Henry King (1853/54-?) Last seen at home in 1871 aged 17 & a servant.
Walter King (1856-1910) Marries Harriet ? by 1901.

Could sks look up the full details of the 1851 census for Robert & Olive King for me please, they should be in Ringwood. I have them on the other censuses.

Henry disappears completely after 1871, I can find no marriages or deaths, neither can I find a birth index record for him, but he appears at home in both 1861 & 1871. What happened to Henry &/or where did he go?

Walter disappears between 1871 & 1901. I have have him on censuses in 1871 in Ringwood & 1901 in Wandsworth, London but cannot find him on the 1881 or 1891. Where was he?

Familysearch only has the baptisms of Mary in 1837 & Sarah in 1839. None of the other children of Robert & Olive show up & Ringwood does not appear on FreeReg. Can anyone help with baptisms for the others?

A last note is that sometimes the place of birth on censuses is sometimes shown as Kingston, Hampshire or Kingston, Ringwood, Hampshire. Kingston is an area within the parish of Ringwood.

It is only Mary, Henry & Walter that I haven't been able to trace (also James if he is Robert & Olives!), all the others have been traced.

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards

David

[durhamgirl73]

1851

Robert King 38
Jane King 35
John King 15
Mary King 13
Sarah King 10
George King 8
Charles King 5
Samuel King 2

Ringwood

ED 1f Piece 1667 Folio 378 Page 16

[DavidJP]

Hi durhamgirl73,

Many thanks indeed for the 1851 census info, very much appreciated.

Kind regards

David

[rosie17]

Hi David this might be the marriage for Walter King age 31 occupation coachman father Robert King deceased ( farm labourer ).Married Harriet Fribbance age 27 her father William ( labourer )
Marriage date 19/5/1888 St Leonard Streatham witnesses Samuel King ,Mary Anne Fribbance ,Florence King

Possibility in the 1881 census
Walter King age 24 b Kingston Hampshire occupation coachman ( visitor ) at Zennor Road Streatham at the house of John S Pratley and Eliza Pratley

1891 Census Clarendon House Streatham
Walter King age 35 coachman & domestic b Kingston Hampshire
Harriet King age 30 b Wescott Wiltshire
Harriet Newton b 1883 Holloway niece
Harriet Amy Folks b 1803 London ( mother )I would say this is the mother of Harriet Fribbance as they are together in the 1881 census
Piece 456/folio 45
Does this match in with your other information
Rosie

[rosie17]

I think this might be a second marriage for George King cant find the first to Sarah A but this looks like the death for Sarah Ann King Oct -Dec 1895 Ringwood Hampshire age 42
Marriage for George King age 52 widower address Kingston Hampshire (labourer )married Sarah Warner age 41 ..Date 2/10/1897 Holy Trinity Church Clapham witness Samuel King and Mary Ann Jones ..His second wife is widowed by the later census
Rosie

[LizzieL]

I've searched for James King (same birth ref as Caroline). No sign of a death registered for James between his birth and 1861 census. The same reference might make you suspect twins but it could be a huge coincidence and another King family has a child that they register just before or just after Caroline, so he gets on the same page. I have found a James King on 1871 census, b abt 1852 in Poulner (Ringwood district) son of James and Mary. I can't see any other James registration that would fit.

[DavidJP]

Hi Rosie,

Many thanks indeed for your replies, very much appreciated indeed.

The info regarding Walter that you have provided is absolutely spot on, many thanks!

Hi David this might be the marriage for Walter King age 31 occupation coachman father Robert King deceased ( farm labourer ).Married Harriet Fribbance age 27 her father William ( labourer )
Marriage date 19/5/1888 St Leonard Streatham witnesses Samuel King ,Mary Anne Fribbance ,Florence King

As regards the witnesses in the above marriage, Samuel King was as we know Walter's brother, but Florence (Florence Eliza King, b1876) was Samuel's daughter (Walter's niece).

Possibility in the 1881 census
Walter King age 24 b Kingston Hampshire occupation coachman ( visitor ) at Zennor Road Streatham at the house of John S Pratley and Eliza Pratley

As regards the 1881 census above, He was living in Streatham in 1901 & his occupation was Coachman (Not Domestic).

1891 Census Clarendon House Streatham
Walter King age 35 coachman & domestic b Kingston Hampshire
Harriet King age 30 b Wescott Wiltshire
Harriet Newton b 1883 Holloway niece
Harriet Amy Folks b 1803 London ( mother )I would say this is the mother of Harriet Fribbance as they are together in the 1881 census
Piece 456/folio 45

As regards 1891 Census above, as pointed out in the 1881 census note, they were living in Streatham in 1901, Harriet May Newton the niece, was still living with them in 1901, but her birth place is given as Islington.
 
Does this match in with your other information
Rosie

I think that we can safely say that the marriage & 1881, 1891 census records that you kindly find are most definitely them! My thanks again.

As regards the George King info, I was unaware of the second marriage, but I believe that you are right about it, I was confident that I had got George & Sarah A in 1891 in Ringwood, but had struggled to find them after this.

His second wife is widowed by the later census

Do you mean the 1901? And where is the 2nd wife in this later census? I ask as regards finding a death record for George.

Many thanks again.

Kind regards

David

[DavidJP]

Hi LizzieL,

Many thanks for your reply, very much appreciated.

I had indeed wondered about whether James was a family member or whether he was somebody else's, he certainly wasn't with the family in 1861 as you point out & I hadn't found a possible death either.

Many thanks for checking for me, I wasn't sure if I had missed anything or not. I certainly hadn't come up with anything conclusive either way! But I think that you are right & that he has to be this James & Mary's child that you mention.

My thanks again.

Kind regards

David

[rosie17]

Hi David this looks like George King in the 1901 census Kingston Civil Parish Ringwood
George King b 1846 Kingston age 55
Sarah King b 1856 Alton Hampshire ( second wife )
Albert King b 1887 Kingston
Harry King b 1890 Kingston
I Can't post details of the 1911 census but George has died between 1901 and 1911
Rosie