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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 06 December 15 00:16 GMT (UK) »
Looks like an excellent job, Brian. Terrific progress since the start of the thread.

A few suggestions to add to Darren's, which may or may not help ...

The place-name is written Poole Head (no s), and is repeated again in lines 7-8. I don't think it's Peeten Land. I think what you are reading as n at the end of the line is just a filler. Compare the way Poole is written the first time?

... the Reverc(i)on of my Lease ...

making ing up may simply be a copying error for making it up, which would fit the context.

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 06 December 15 00:25 GMT (UK) »
Most early wills were written by someone else, even if the testator could read and write.

This will is in any case a register copy, not an original will. As mentioned above (reply #9), register copies were made by the clerks and entered into the will registers as formal records of the probate court.

Occasionally the clerks made copying errors. I think this is what happened with making ing up. Sometimes you see such errors underlined by whoever checked the copy afterwards (though not in this case).

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 06 December 15 00:43 GMT (UK) »
Aah! Revercion....
Thanks BookBox, I can see that now.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 06 December 15 00:59 GMT (UK) »
well done Bookbox, revercion  seems to be the right word. Poole Head and seems to be near and about Donnington, Shropshire (which is the next parish over). It could be the place, but it also could be in the Cheswardine/Soudley/Chipnall area where most of his holdings were. It may not exist anymore or it may be a field name.
Early in the will there was mention of Tagmore. There is a Tag lane which runs NW from Chipnall which 
may indicate a Tagmore in the past.

I found this entry for Chipnal estates http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/ba59631d-ddda-460d-9154-a8d8247ea41e which hints at Peeton being a Butter lease. I am currently trying to see about obtaining a copy to verify.

My Butter/Jervis ancestors were centred in Cheswardine from the early 1800's back to the 1400's.

Brian

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 06 December 15 01:08 GMT (UK) »
That document(s) could give you more information about the time of your ancestor's tenure on those properties. One of my ancestors leased property that belonged to one of the Oxford colleges, and I was very fortunate to be able to access lease dates and other information.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 06 December 15 23:33 GMT (UK) »
I have reached the end, of the will that is :D

I have a couple of parts that I need assistance with.  My thanks Brian


Item I give and bequeath to every of my servants two shillings sixpence a peece
Item I give and bequeath to the poore of the Parish of Cheswardine forty shillings
to bee unpayed and devided as other moneys are itt the diference of the minister
and parish wardens, my wife and my sonne: Item my will is that Edward Butter
my kinsmen have his keeping with meate and drinke and cloathing by my ????
wife and Ffrancis my sonne if hee like to continue with them during his life
Item itt is my will that the moneyes given and bequested afore said bee paid
by my Executor within the space of Five yeares next after my decease and the
Legacies given to my grandchildren to bee litt forth and they to receive itt as
formerly:Item  I give and bequeath all the rest of my goods moveable and
removeable, Cattle and chattles within doore and without to Ellin my wife and
Ffrancis my sonne to be equally divided betwixt them, my funerall expenses
and all debte legaciee being ffirst satisfyed and discharged Pronide dip the goods
doe sum amounts paying my funerall expences debte and lagacies That this will
is my Will and Testament that Thomas Davison and John Preston to have
tenne pounds a peece; item lastly I doe hereby constitute and ordaine Ellin
my wife to bee my sole Executor to per for me and fullfill this my last Will and
Testament And I hereby constitute and ordaine Ffrancis Butter my sonne,
Thomas Davison and John Preston my sonns in lawe to bee supervisors of
this my last Will and Testament In Wiittnesse whereof I have sett my hand to
Seale this Eighteenth day of Ffebruary One thousand six hundred ffifty three
John Butter his marks, Memorandum that the enterlining of Thomas Davi
son in the last line but This was done before the sealing here of, Sealed in the
presence of Richard Eaton his marke Anne Owen her marke George Marsh

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #33 on: Monday 07 December 15 05:34 GMT (UK) »
...as other moneyes are att the discrec(i)on of the Minister...  (= discretion)
and Churchwardens...

Agree with you on the meate etc.  The characters at the end of the line I think must be fillers.

The word you have as litt is tricky.  I would say it is lett, but would not entirely rule out sett.

...goods moveable and
unmoveable...
  (This is a standard phrase.)

...and all debts legacies being ffirst satisfyed and discharged Provided if the goods
doe surmount paying my funerall expences debts and Legacies That then itt
is my Will...


...the interlining of Thomas Davi
son in the last line but Two was done...


ADDED:  Agree with you on unpayed.  The sense must be that the un carries forward to the divided as well - ie unpayed and (un)divided.

...my kinsman...

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #34 on: Monday 07 December 15 05:49 GMT (UK) »
One I missed:

...my sole Executor to performe and fullfill...

Also, from your first extract:

...worldly goods I thus dispose...

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #35 on: Monday 07 December 15 06:21 GMT (UK) »
I think Horsleydown86 has nailed it. The only thing I can add is I agree it is "lett", even though "sett" would make more sense (at least to us). If you compare the first letter to other words starting with "s", it doesn't look much alike. It does however look like other "l" s on the page.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.