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Birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford??
« on: Saturday 16 January 16 07:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, found a note I had made some time ago, relating to a birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford.  My memory (and source keeping) has let me down, but I was sure I found it on a microfiche somewhere, probably an IGI Familysearch centre, many years ago.

Now when trying to verify this record using FreeREG or Familysearch or any other free transcriptions online, I can only find 3 ‘user submitted records’ on Familysearch.  These 3 records only have Sarah alone, with no other family members and batch number A00099-7 as source.

So, has anyone access to Bedford baptisms (probably St Pauls) to see if Sarah is included?  Oddly hoping that her mother is Ann Page with no father’s details recorded, as this will ‘fit’ later info I have on Sarah.

Hope that all makes sense, all help & advice gratefully received.  Regards, TonyR.

Other info I have just for completeness: Sarah can be found in 1851 census, in St Pauls’ district of Bedford aged 1, with what I believe are her aunts Eliza aged 20 & Sarah age 13 and uncle Fredrik age 6.  All born Bedford, Bedfordshire, with Surname entered as Boge.

In 1861 Census, in Queen St Court, Preston, Lancashire, Sarah is aged 11 with her single mother Ann 28 and siblings James 7 and Lucy 3.  All are ‘lodgers’ in Pedder household.

In 1871 Census, in Cooper St, Preston, Lancashire, Sarah is back living with her aunt Eliza, now a Wilkinson & family.  Sarah’s age looks like 12 but must be wrong as she marries 6 days later aged 21.  She marries William Freeman, a Spinner & her Father is recorded as the late James Page, Plumber, which I think must be a bit of a fib.

Then there is a Baptism on 20 July 1873, in St John parish, Preston, Lancashire for a Sarah Jane Freeman - [Child] of William Freeman & Annie, Abode: Livesey St, Occupation: Spinner.  The recorded mother’s name of Annie might be a pet name for Sarah or either a mistake, as this child Sarah Jane Freeman, later features in my ancestors’ lives.  There were 19 baptisms this day & so a mistake in the record would be understandable.

It then looks like Sarah must have died, because by 1881 it appears that William Freeman has married again (and started a new family, still in Preston) while 8 year old Sarah Jane Freeman is living with relatives in Barrow-in-Furness, Lancs.  I cannot find a death record for Sarah nor a entry in the 1881 census for her – but these are probs for another day.
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Re: Birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford??
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 January 16 12:17 GMT (UK) »
There are pages of Bedford RD baptisms to be found here from 1837 onwards....... however this does not cover Bedford St.Paul's

 http://www.stevengibbs.me.uk/BaptismRegistersPage.htm

To look at St.Paul's baptisms for 1850 you'd need to visit Beds Archives where they are on microfiche or you can always purchase the parish register CD available from Bedfordshire Family History Society.

http://www.bfhs.org.uk/parishcd.html

In the Eureka Partnership publication, Bedford Union Workhouse Births & Deaths 1835-1857, there is a illegitimate female child's birth listed on 9 Mar 1850 with mother being Ann Page, but there is no other details. If that child was baptised I'd suggest it was in Bedford St.Peter's.

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Re: Birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford??
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 16 January 16 13:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Death registration

Sarah Elizabeth FREEMAN died March Qtr. 1875 aged 24 years
Preston, Lancs.
Vol. 8E  Page. 444

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Re: Birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford??
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 16 January 16 23:37 GMT (UK) »
I think the family you found in 1851 are the children of William & Sarah Page, who can be found in Renhold in 1841 (Piece: HO107/1/11 Folio: 6 Page: 7). The older children of the family married from Beauchamp Row, and there are suitable baptisms for the younger children. Ann Bailey Page (born 9th Feb 1833) would seem to be a suitable candidate for Sarah Elizabeth's mother.
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Re: Birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford??
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 January 16 06:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi JohnP, that illegitimate female child's birth listed on 9 Mar 1850 that you found with Ann Page as mother is a gem.  That child must almost certainly be Sarah Elizabeth, just have to find a baptism if there was one, for confirmation.  I had previously looked at Bedford RD baptisms that you link to, but as you say there are no transcripts for St Pauls nor St Peters which you suggest might be more relevant.

Hi Claire, thanks for the death registration you found, it’s all beginning to fit.  I looked a long time ago but didn’t find it – I’m just getting back into researching again after a ‘rest’ but hadn’t got around to checking FreeBMD yet, you’ve saved me a job! thanks again.

Hi StevenG, you’re spot on with that family in Renhold being Ann’s family, the parents being William Page & Sarah Bailey, hence Ann Bailey Page’s middle name.   She seems to be the only obvious choice as Sarah Elizabeth's mother, the subsequent census info ‘proves it’ for me.  Steve, I must ask if it is you who has magically transcribed the Beds PRs for all of us.  Congrats on the superb work if it is – what a coincidence if not! plus any idea when St Pauls & St Peters baps might be done? ;D

Thanks again one & all for the interest & help & advice.  It’s much appreciated.  Regards, TonyR.
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Re: Birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford??
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 January 16 09:19 GMT (UK) »
Just to say I couldn't find a birth index in first quarter 1850 in Bedford RD for a Sarah Page....... ?
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Re: Birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford??
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 January 16 10:38 GMT (UK) »
Just to say I couldn't find a birth index in first quarter 1850 in Bedford RD for a Sarah Page....... ?

There is one on FreeBMD.  Sarah Ellenor Page, Mar qtr 1850 Bedford 6 44.
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Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
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Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
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Re: Birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford??
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 January 16 11:09 GMT (UK) »
Just to say I couldn't find a birth index in first quarter 1850 in Bedford RD for a Sarah Page....... ?
There is one on FreeBMD.  Sarah Ellenor Page, Mar qtr 1850 Bedford 6 44.

But she was baptised at Keysoe daughter of Charles & Ann Page....
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Re: Birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford??
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 19 January 16 14:49 GMT (UK) »
Hello Tony

I had a brief look at the Beds Surname Index CD (available from Beds FHS) at Beds Archives yesterday and found something of interest amongst the Pages....

Seems there's a baptism of Sarah Elizabeth Page of Beachamp Row in 1850 at Bedford St.Mary's. I had a glance through the baptism register on microfiche but some pages have not copied nicely and are not readable, I'm assuming that Beds FHS gleaned their info direct from the parish register. Had I more time I would have had a look but it was getting late and a bus to catch. Maybe next time, unless of course you email Beds Archives and ask them to tell you (however they might charge you).

Also listed is baptism for Frederick Page of Beauchamp Row in 1845 at Holy Trinity & a baptism for Sarah Page at St.Pauls in 1837 and a baptism for Eliza Page in 1831 at St.Pauls. This tallys with the names & ages you provided from the 1851 census.

Also there's a marriage of Ann Baily Page, spinster at St.Pauls in 1833

Cheers John     

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