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OGDEN family of clockmakers - around Halifax, possibly Quakers
« on: Tuesday 19 January 16 07:18 GMT (UK) »
Anyone know if there is a family tree of these Ogdens anywhere?

I'm especially interested in a Samuel Ogden of this family, who moved to Newcastle about 1712.

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Re: OGDEN family of clockmakers - around Halifax, possibly Quakers
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 January 16 09:16 GMT (UK) »
Ancestry has one possible.

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Re: OGDEN family of clockmakers - around Halifax, possibly Quakers
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 January 16 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Information here:
Samuel Ogden clockmaker Halifax
http://www.brianloomes.com/collecting/newclock/newclock.html

"Samuel Ogden was baptised at Halifax parish church in January 1669-70 in the old dating system (we would say 1670), the son of James Ogden of Sowerby near Halifax. John Ogden, who later moved to Askrigg, was baptised in 1665 at nearby Elland church, also the son of a James Ogden, then said to be of Soyland, but the big question is whether it was the same James Ogden, who was the father of each. If so, as seems very likely, then Samuel and John were brothers.

The problem is that John Ogden was a well-known Quaker, yet there is no evidence so far that Samuel was - though he may have been. We know his sons Thomas and Isaac, who remained at Ripponden, were Quakers. Samuel lived most of his early life at (or near) Ripponden, and his children, of which he had eight born between 1687 and 1704, were baptised in the established church at nearby Elland, where his wife, Sara, was buried in 1712. Their marriage has still not been traced. Samuel serviced the Halifax parish church clock from 1693 till 1701. If he was a Quaker the implication is first that he might not have baptised his children in the parish church, and secondly that he might not have been given the job of working on Halifax church. Quakers were shunned by society in general and by the established church in particular. Although the law strongly enforced everyone to attend the local established church, some vicars would not allow Quakers to be baptised in their church or buried in their holy ground, and some Quakers refused to attend anyway. On the other hand some Quakers did their best not to ruffle feathers and went along with the requirements of the local church as best they could, just as some vicars sought to welcome all kinds within God's house.

In 1712 Samuel Ogden moved to Benwell village near Newcastle on Tyne. It is not known why, but it may be that the death of his wife, Sara, in April of that year, had a bearing. In that same year, 1712, his oldest son Samuel Ogden junior moved to work at Alnwick, which left just his younger son, Thomas Ogden, who was to become the famous Quaker clockmaker, to carry on at Ripponden, presumably still in the family home. Thomas Ogden was accompanied for some few years at least by his brother, that is Samuel's youngest son, Isaac. Thomas later moved to work in Halifax itself, though his earliest clocks are signed at Ripponden. Samuel Ogden senior died in 1728 when on a visit to his namesake son at Alnwick. His work at Benwell is documented through perhaps four or five longcase clocks, these mostly of arched-dial, eight-day type, some of them carrying the year of making in a boss in the arch - such as 1726 and 1727."

Details of a tree sound patchy
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: OGDEN family of clockmakers - around Halifax, possibly Quakers
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 January 16 09:41 GMT (UK) »
Ogden, Samuel
[1629-1???] Clockmaker.
He married Mary.

Children:

James
Isaac
Sam
John
a daughter

Ogden, Samuel
[1668-17??] Aka Sam.
Son of James Ogden. Clockmaker of Ripponden who worked on the clocks at Halifax Parish Church and Elland Parish Church [1693-1701]. He was famous for his long-case clocks.

He married Sara [16??-1712].

Children:

Samuel
Thomas
John
Isaac
a daughter
a daughter
a daughter
child

Ogden, Samuel
[1689-1773] Clockmaker son of Sam Ogden. He was in business at Ripponden with his brother Thomas. Around 1712, he moved to Alnwick and Newcastle

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~calderdalecompanion/mmo124.html#128
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)


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Re: OGDEN family of clockmakers - around Halifax, possibly Quakers
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 January 16 10:00 GMT (UK) »
 Samuel Ogden II son of Samuel I was born in Ripponden in 1689. He probably worked with his brother Thomas initially, but was recorded at Alnwick (Northumberland) from 1712 – 28, he then went to Benwell (near Newcastle –On-Tyne) where he died in 1765. His son Samuel III moved to Halifax to take over his uncle Thomas`s business on his death in 1770.

http://www.northernclocks.co.uk/clockitem.php?id=497&category=1
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: OGDEN family of clockmakers - around Halifax, possibly Quakers
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 January 16 14:35 GMT (UK) »
Max D - Thank you, I will check the Ancestry trees.

Whiteout7 - thank you for such a comprehensive answer, just the sort of info I need!

(I am familiar with Brian Loomes webpages.)

This has given me a lot to get started following the branch of the Ogdens who moved up here to Northumberland.

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UK - Northumberland, County Durham: ANDERSON,   DODD(S), EDWARDS, ELLIOTT/ELLET, FENWICK, GREY/GRAY, HINDMARCH and variants, JORDAN, MOORE, MURRAY, RIPPON, RODDHAM, RYDER-TURNER, SPARK(E)(S), STEWART, TILLEY, TIPLADY, WATSON,
Sheffield: TURNER
Middlesex: RYDER
<br />Aberdeenshire: EDWARDS, BRODIE<br />Angus STEWART, DIXON, PETRIE