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James W Hill born circa 1894 in Rochdale
« on: Tuesday 02 February 16 22:45 GMT (UK) »
I am seeking help in finding information regarding his wife.  The name on the transcript (findmypast) and the Lancashire BMD is given as Helena or Helen RUONE married in Rochdale, Lancashire in the second quarter 1917 and other than this I can find no further trace.  The original image is blurred and as I am registered severely partially sighted I cannot make it out.  Could anyone help with verification of the name and if possible thereafter her birth details.  Any help or further guidance appreciated.
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Re: James W Hill born circa 1894 in Rochdale
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 22:58 GMT (UK) »
Helena in Freebmd is Helena Ruone. James Hill transcribed as marrying Emone but the original image is so blurred it could be anything.

Helena's name of Ruone has been correctly transcribed

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Re: James W Hill born circa 1894 in Rochdale
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 23:10 GMT (UK) »
I would guess this is Helen in 1911 in Castleton (Rochdale)

Edward Ruone   45
Annie Ruone   44
William Ruone   21
Maggie Ruone   17
Nelly Ruone   15 **********
John Ruone   12
Winnie Ruone   9
Mary Ruone   5
Lizzie Ruone   2

and in 1901


Name   Age
Edward Ruane   33
Annie Ruane   32
William Ruane   11
Maggie Ruane   7
Nellie Ruane   5 **********
John Ruane   2
Michael Ratigan   24

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Re: James W Hill born circa 1894 in Rochdale
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 23:18 GMT (UK) »
birth

Births Sep 1895   (>99%)
Ruane    Ellen        Rochdale    8e   13

and possibly parents marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1888

RUANE   Edward   FIDLER   Annie   Rochdale Register Office or Registrar Attended   


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Re: James W Hill born circa 1894 in Rochdale
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 February 16 08:05 GMT (UK) »
There is a baptism record for Ellen Rowane baptised at the Church of St Gabriel and all the Angels, Castleton on the 28 July 1895. She was born 13 July 1895
 Parents Edward Rowane & Ann formerly Fidler
Godparents Francis Burns and Ellen Burns.

As with so many Catholic baptisms it also has a note of her marriage to James William Hill.
It's in Latin so I'm not absolutely certain but I think it says that James William Hill was baptised only three days before his marriage to Ellen. It also gives his birthdate and names his parents

There are also baptisms for Ellen's sister Margaret 1893 and brother Edward 1896.
You can view the transcripts here.........

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
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Re: James W Hill born circa 1894 in Rochdale
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 February 16 12:52 GMT (UK) »
also baptism of brother William giving also William's marriage details

Baptism: 22 Jun 1889 St Gabriel and all the Angels, Castleton, Lancashire, England
Gulielmus Rowane - filius Edwardi Rowane & Annae (formerly Fidler)
    Born: 12 Jun 1889
    Abode: Bridge St, Castleton
    Godparents: Thomas Cosgrove; Maria Dunne
    Notes: Ipse, die 31 Jul 1912 in ecclesa. S. Patritii, Rochdale, matrim.contraxit cum
           Catharina Smith (olim Nolan) filia Michael & Marthae Nolan, (aetatis 25) praes. testibus
           Wm. O'Brien & Ellen Nolan - a Rev R. Campion. F. J. Nugent

agree Ellen's baptism sees  to say William Hill baptised 3 days before marriage in 1917

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Re: James W Hill born circa 1894 in Rochdale
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 February 16 13:36 GMT (UK) »
Unless I'm reading it wrong... I'm not so sure about James and Jane Ann Hill [filio Jacobi et Joannae Annae Hill]  being James William's parents, according to a census record that I found he was their Grandson !!!
Perhaps when RodEast comes back he will be able to clarify.
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Re: James W Hill born circa 1894 in Rochdale
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 February 16 13:46 GMT (UK) »

agree Ellen's baptism sees  to say William Hill baptised 3 days before marriage in 1917

Perhaps  a convert to Catholicism.
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Re: James W Hill born circa 1894 in Rochdale
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 February 16 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Unless I'm reading it wrong... I'm not so sure about James and Jane Ann Hill [filio Jacobi et Joannae Annae Hill]  being James William's parents, according to a census record that I found he was their Grandson !!!
Perhaps when RodEast comes back he will be able to clarify.

1901 3839/10/11

Has James as son to to James and Jane A.
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